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  •  Ugly and getting uglier. (6+ / 0-)

    Something in the human soul needs to survey the depths of war.  And this is what it always finds.

    “I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” - Harriet Tubman

    by Publius2008 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 08:37:45 AM PDT

    •  I don't understand the mentality (4+ / 0-)

      of people dancing in the streets when someone is killed. I don't care who it is, it's really ugly.

      Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

      by Matt Z on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:39:31 AM PDT

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      •  I guess you never had people you love murdered (2+ / 5-)

        by a dictator and I'll bet you would have mourned the loss of Hitler.

        "Ding-Dong, the witch is dead" Still don't get it? You need a better understanding of how most people think and act.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 09:57:16 AM PDT

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        •  OMG. (8+ / 0-)
          I'll bet you would have mourned the loss of Hitler.
          That is a really disgusting thing to say. Shame on you.

          Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

          by Matt Z on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 11:37:51 AM PDT

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        •  Was that really called for? (5+ / 0-)

          I thought MattZ was making a humanitarian statement.  
          I don't see why people should be required or expected to celebrate death?

          Perhaps some people simply oppose killing.  Do we have the right to dictate personal moral opinions to others?  

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 12:26:11 PM PDT

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        •  Clay, that's an outrageously nasty comment. n/t (4+ / 0-)

          Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

          by angry marmot on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 12:45:24 PM PDT

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        •  This is the sort of shit (5+ / 0-)

          that prevents real conversation from occurring in your posts.

          Considering the long and well documented history of American covert engineering of events in order to facilitate and "necessitate" military intervention, it is shameful that people who are skeptical of what remains hidden and unreported by mainstream media reports and the failed international reporting community.

          The fact that the role Syria plays in the international geopolitical chess game is never discussed in your pieces is a failing on your part to truly analyze these situations in depth.  It is not a personal failing, but rather an omission.  The fact that you go to great lengths to demonize and attack those who attempt to do so says much for your bizarre need for validation and inability to apply lessons that you SHOULD have learned from your study of Vietnam.

          The fact that others DO analyze the role that Syria plays does NOT mean that those people are unfeeling for the people of Syria who are caught between evil forces on both sides.  It does not make the callous, or Nazi sympathizers, and you should be ashamed for that ridiculous and weak-minded interpretation.

          It merely means that people recognize patterns and alarm bells are ringing.  Being wrong or being right doesn't matter so much as being aware.  And you can't be aware when you shut down the people who bring up points that differ from yours.

          Stop being such a defensive and petty jerk.

          Obama 2012: For More Wars!

          by chipmo on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:01:59 PM PDT

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        •  I usually don't like to get wound up, but that (5+ / 0-)

          comment was so uncalled for.  I'd like you to consider this, if you are open to discussion, and consider what an American intervention in Syria would be like?

          87 Minute documentary on the Vietnam War. Shows how the U.S. government killed more than 3 million Vietnamese in their War of Independence. Starts with the history of the conflict from WWII, the defeat of the French, how the American people were lied into the conflict in the Gulf of Tonkin. Then shows how the killing was done. Includes testimony from soldiers and Vietnamese. Narrated by Martin Sheen. Written, Produced and Directed by Clay Claiborne.
          Is it so long past since American soldiers and Blackwater mercenaries were gunning down families simply traveling in their cars in Iraq?  What makes anyone anywhere think the US military would be any more discriminating about who they kill in Syria?  

          Some estimates in Iraq are 100,000 to 600,000 to nearly 1 million CIVILIANS killed in Iraq.  Weren't they murdered too?

          "People you love murdered" by evil dictators OR by invading foreign forces are still murdered and blown to pieces, one way or another.

          Is it really not possible to see any parallel between Vietnam and what could happen in Syria?  really?

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:55:59 PM PDT

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          •  You won't ever see the following information (5+ / 0-)

            in a Clay Claiborne article.

            From April 6, 2011, before the killings in Daraa.

            The Syrian regime is fully aware of a possible division among the Syrian army and of what the consequences of that would be. In addition, the Syrian regime also realizes that the increased repression and casualties will generate more protestors -- and the slogans will only became stronger and stronger. It is clear that the "Syrian Revolution" will triumph in the end, as each day more cities get involved in demonstrations and rebellions demanding their freedom.
            The author is one Dr. Radwan Ziadeh.
            Since the Syrian uprising started in March 15, 2011 he was involved in documenting all the human rights violations and testifying at the UN Human rights council in Geneva twice, also he involved in the opposition activities where he elected in October as director of Foreign relation office for the Syrian National Council SNC the main umbrella for the Syrian opposition.

            He was most recently a Visiting Scholar at Dubai Initiative at Kennedy school of Government at Harvard University, visiting scholar at The Institute for Middle East Studies (IMES) at Elliot School of International Affairs at George Washington University, Prins Global Fellow at Hagop Kevorkian Center for Near Eastern Studies at New York University and Visiting Scholar at The Center for Contemporary Arab Studies (CCAS) at Georgetown University.

            Before that he was Reagan–Fascell Fellow at National Endowment for Democracy (NED) at Washington D,C and Visiting Scholar at the Center for the Study of Human Rights at Columbia University in New York City, he was also a Visiting Fellow at Chatham House (The Royal Institute of International Affairs) in London and a visiting scholar at Carr Center for Human Rights at Harvard University (2008–2009). In 2007–2008 he was a Senior Fellow at United States Institute of Peace (USIP) in Washington, D.C.

            See that Reagan-Fascell Fellow at NED?  That's some pretty heavy shit right there.

            This group is heavily involved in orchestrating the sorts of operations detailed in the Special Forces Unconventional Warfare publication TC 18-01.  It is a step by step guide on how to create, support, and advance a "populist" uprising in order to topple an unwanted regime.

            But no, the CIA doesn't do that sort of stuff.  No sir.  The rebels are all just awesome people with no ties to imperialism.

            And the people on this site consider themselves informed.

            Obama 2012: For More Wars!

            by chipmo on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 02:14:07 PM PDT

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        •  Clay... (2+ / 0-)
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          the Hitler remark was really uncalled for, especially when we're apparently dealing with a died in the wool pacifist rather than a supporter of dread dictatorship.

          As an avid follower, I'm a little disappointed.

          IMHO: code for the mean little thoughts of someone with the social grace of duckweed. --T. Pratchett

          by Cynical Copper on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 03:55:45 PM PDT

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      •  The hope of liberation? n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 11:23:11 AM PDT

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      •  They are likely not cheering the deaths as much (4+ / 0-)
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        as what they see as a step to winning the war the government is waging against them.

        Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

        by kimoconnor on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 11:30:02 AM PDT

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