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  •  There was an excellent reason Obamacare (2+ / 0-)
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    does not fully kick in until 2014. It would not have passed (even by one vote) if it was structured differently.

    How quickly you forget the GOP nonsense the president had to dance around. If the money wasn't presented just so, never mind.

    Also, it takes more than half an hour to set up insurance exchanges whether by the fed or the states.

    Don't even think about starting with the single payer bullshit, it didn't happen. It should in the future, but that boat sunk.

    You want single payer, re-elect the president and start working.

    This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

    by glorificus on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 10:13:08 AM PDT

    •  half hour vs 3 yrs or 5 yrs (1+ / 0-)
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      or are you suggesting that 3 years equals a half hour? But 5 years equals 5 years?

      Maybe I should say to you what you said to the diarist, which was "STFU!" That would be a good discussion, no?

      What the Democrats need to do is talk about the ACA all the time, about what it will do. They can't just let it sit there, confident that it will help in 2014, while the Republicans say their crazy stuff.

      It's called marketing. The passage wasn't enough. It still has to be sold, especially because a Republican Congress and President would repeal it. If it's the crown jewel of Democratic achievement in this Administration then it has to be promoted....and again and again.

      •  SOMETHING could've kicked in before 2014. (0+ / 0-)

        By July 2010, every American could've received a voucher that would've allowed him or her to purchase a decent basic healthcare package. Simultaneously require community-rated premiums and no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. That would've tided us over till 1/1/14.

        Yes, it would've cost a big pile of money. That's not a bug, that's a feature--more stimulus. Please see also my response to EdMass, "That's what I'm talking about."

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 10:37:53 AM PDT

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        •  A lot of things did kick in before 2014 (2+ / 0-)
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          including the rebate if insurance companies didn't provide > 85% of revenues in actual health care.  The checks go out in August.

          But....it was 2014 on a lot of it or no deal.  There were quite a few votes in both houses tied directly to a revenue-neutral CBO report.

          •  (1) All the Kevins are still uninsured. (2)... (1+ / 0-)
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            Please see my response to EdMass, "That's what I'm talking about."

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 10:48:46 AM PDT

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            •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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              Nothing has kicked in for the uninsured, or those who can possibly be insured now at expensive risk pools but lack the money.

              The pre-2014 stuff mostly helps keep people from losing insurance they already have, and in some cases helps a bit with the cost (fewer copays, more things covered, those rebates).

              The big coverage expansions were the medicare expansion (which sadly seems to now be blue-state-only) and the exchanges (which are intended to be an alternative to employer-based health insurance.  Jury is out on how well they'll work).   Neither kicks in till 2014.

        •  some is happening now, some later (0+ / 0-)

          first of all, so you understand my point of view, I don't like the bill. I think the major point of it was to guarantee customers for the private companies. Then, in return for those big profits, the companies had to agree to some provisions that can benefit real people.

          As many have pointed out, we already have things like under-26s can get on their parents' insurance and no one can be denied insurance. I won't mention that you can't be denied but that doesn't mean it's affordable. Oops, too late. I did mention it.

          In any case, for those who think it's a good bill (and maybe it is...maybe I'm looking at it incorrectly) the important thing is to keep selling it until it completely kicks in.

          I believe they chose some far away date on purpose. Of course they should have had better provisions and they should have gotten to work setting it up immediately. If they actually cared about health care (and not health insurance) that's what would have happened. Setting the date 5 years ahead was a cynical way (in my opinion) of making it seem like they were doing something while giving them a way to water it down before implementation. Or repeal it before it truly begins.

          •  (1) You can still be denied. (2) Heads up asses. (0+ / 0-)

            (1) Yes, you can still be denied health insurance. My family lost group coverage and had to go into the individual market about 9 months ago. We were denied by Kaiser and Aetna, got coverage through a smaller company, but with a significant exclusion of some coverage for my wife. Don't take my word for it, check the pre-existing plan info on healthcare.gov:

            The Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan makes health coverage available to you if you are a U.S. citizen or reside here legally, you have been denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition, and you’ve been uninsured for at least six months.
            http://www.healthcare.gov/...

            (2) All that other stuff is good, and I know about it, but it's just not nearly enough. There are still tens of millions of uninsured like Kevin. And leaving tens of millions uninsured led to a loss of political power by Dems. Thus all that cynical political scheming and calculating backfired--which the Dems easily would have foreseen if their heads hadn't been so far up their asses.

            Please see my response to EdMass, "That's what I'm talking about."

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 11:02:30 AM PDT

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    •  They could have started in 2012 if the mechanics (0+ / 0-)

      of setting up exchanges was the only problem. You're right that passing it was a big problem but it's possible that it would have passed and started earlier if they realized how important the early start is.

      •  If wishes were fishes, we'd have us some fried; (0+ / 0-)

        If wishes were horses, all beggars would ride.

        If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If-If

        I hear this is a reality-based community. Prove it.

        This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

        by glorificus on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:52:43 PM PDT

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        •  What exactly I'm supposed to prove? (0+ / 0-)
          •  Stop talking about IF the president had done (0+ / 0-)

            this, that, or the other thing we'd have single payer. The Dems did NOT have 60 reliable votes at any time.

            The time for single payer is in the future IF the president gets re-elected, and all of Congress is Dem.

            Prove you are more interested in getting single payer than whining about that never-existent lost opportunity.

            This is, of course, the difference between republicans and human beings. - Captain Frogbert

            by glorificus on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 02:24:12 PM PDT

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