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  •  Standards are not the same as tests. (5+ / 0-)

    Everything you have written discusses standardized TESTING, not educational standards. They're not the same. They're not even closely related.

    •  There's nothing inherently wrong with tests (0+ / 0-)

      either. Test contents and what the test grades are used for can be wildly different. The poster above decries standardized testing, but quotes 79% of entering freshman at TSU need remedial help. Well, I wonder how they determined that!

      Could it be they used standardized placement tests?

      TSU Placement Exams Info

      Most universities do placement tests. If a student hasn't met some criteria, usually based on a test like the SAT, they have to take a placement test. Their score then determines the highest level course they can register for.

      People hate tests, but how else do you figure out what courses 1300 freshman have a reasonable chance of succeeding in?

      •  They needed remedial help because (1+ / 0-)
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        Texas had changed its educational model from the traditional model to the "teach to the test" model.  

        There was a significant decline in student learning as a result. However, the state standard, as measured by the state's standardized testing, implied student learning had improved. This is because they manipulated the test, to ensure it would appear that students were doing better. Alas, the students were not actually doing better, as evidenced by both the SAT and the drastic increase in remedial education needed when they reached college.

        In other words, the manipulated standardized testing model left the students with significant learning deficits (which were not present in prior years) - and entirely unprepared for college - at great expense to the students and the taxpayers.

        •  I don't disagree with anything you've (0+ / 0-)

          said.  Dumbing down these tests has killed education for many students. The current standards for curriculum here ALLOW this because they aren't that rigorous. Because so much importance is placed on the damn things, schools with performance issues focus on the test, while schools in richer areas and schools that are able to select their students can teach for college preparedness because they don't have to worry that their students will flub these tests. If the standards were higher, they wouldn't be able to do that, regardless of what the test is going to cover.

    •  You measure attainment of the standard (1+ / 0-)
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      with the test.

      •  And if the standard is higher... (1+ / 0-)
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        Linda Wood

        The test really doesn't matter. Schools will have to show in their curricula that they are meeting the improved standards. If the students can graduate with a better education and rates of success increase, like more kids going to college, maybe it will actually help make the tests better. The only reason the tests are so poor in the first place is because the standards aren't very good either.  

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