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  •  two NOTs don't make a AND (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not interested in debating whether or not one should use a particular noun to stand for a class of related nouns.  

    "That's not how I experience it."  OK, then tell us: how do you experience it?   And:  What do you define or describe as sense of meaning?   And what do you find problematic about the phrase "something larger than self"?

    I'm not fond of guessing games: tell us what you do mean, not what you don't mean.

    "Internet communities."  Uh, not even wrong.  Rushdoony, Wagner, and others are published in books of the printed variety, as are some of the most capable critics of the religious right such as Frederick Clarkson, Jeff Sharlet, and others.  And all the anti-marriage laws & amendments weren't passed on the Internet either.  Sorry but your attempt to brush off issues related to the religious right by attributing them to Internet wankery comes across as so much concern.  

    And I'm still waiting to hear more about what you meant by "the monism of interbeing."  

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 12:28:23 PM PDT

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    •  Hrmm, tough job. (0+ / 0-)
      I'm not interested in debating whether or not one should use a particular noun to stand for a class of related nouns.  
       

      I don't know how you can have a philosophical or theological discussion and avoid the question of exactly what those terms mean in any given statement.

      "That's not how I experience it."  OK, then tell us: how do you experience it?   And:  What do you define or describe as sense of meaning?   And what do you find problematic about the phrase "something larger than self"?
      The problem with mysticism is that it's difficult to express tacit experience in a verbal form. What I experience is radical, deep, and multidimensional awareness of interbeing for lack of a better term. Reality is a set of changing relations.

      What's not problematic about that phrase? Both thing-ness and self-ness are revealed in those experiences to be arbitrary boundaries across relations. "Larger than" implies a hierarchal and comparative relationship rather than an inclusive one.  

      "Larger than," is a frustratingly vague relationship. The house, culture, family, the carbon cycle, the Higgs Field, and the Milky Way galaxy are all larger than "self" but we don't make a habit of calling them "God," except as a joke for the Higgs Field. To borrow a concept from hermeticism, As Above, so Below, (with Important Capitalization) but even the duality of micro/macrocosm is likely just a crutch.  IT is simultaneously Singularity and Legion.

      "Internet communities."  Uh, not even wrong.
      You're the one that mentioned "these pages." It's my experience that fundamentalists don't dominate either the conservative electorate or academia where most of these battles take place. Ignoring the roles of non-fundamentalist mainstream congregations such as the RCC, Mormons, and United Methodists in anti-marriage efforts strikes me as a strategic and tactical mistake.

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