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  •  But there would be no iPod without Jobs. (2+ / 0-)
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    There would be no Model T without Ford. They didn't just provide the financing, they provided the whole idea and business model.  Without them their workers would have nothing of value to assemble.  Of course they couldn't have done it at all without workers (or the infrastructure, or an educational system), but the workers wouldn't have done it without them.  It takes both.

    Unlike Jobs and Ford, Romney never invented a damn thing in his life. There is a difference between financial manipulators and entrepreneurs who invent great products.  The "team owner" analogy is flat out wrong when applied to people like Jobs or Ford; they were not investors, they were inventors.

    My point is that the Dems will lose the middle big time if they argue that people who start businesses and invent great products add nothing of value.  Obama never said anything of the kind, and it would be a huge mistake for him to own the fatal framing that Romney trying to hang on him.

    Now linking Romney to the son-of-a-bitch finance whiz who invented nothing but sent your job overseas and impoverished your family ... THAT might have legs!

    •  Now you're fighting on GOP territory. (5+ / 0-)

      See, you're trying to pick which businessmen we ought to admire, which is exactly what the way these sorts of attacks have typically flummoxed Democrats in the past.

      Private Equity bad. Warren Buffet good. Mitt Romney bad. George Lucas good.

      You're fighting the wrong battle. Once you're fighting over which rich guy is good and which rich guy is bad, you've already lost.

      The goal is to align the Democratic party with people who work. Period. Not inventors. Not deciding if Jobs is wonderful and that guy is awful. Its "people who dont invent anything but just get up and punch a clock." That's our vote. If we dont see that we're just gonna keep losing these elections.

      •  To be honest, if you do that you start to lose me. (0+ / 0-)
        The goal is to align the Democratic party with people who work.  Period.  Not inventors.
        I've been a lifelong Democrat.  I've also been modestly successful working in the tech industry out here in the SF Bay Area, as have a lot of folks who tend to vote Democrat. I didn't turn screws on an assembly line, I was an I.T. programmer who ultimately became a senior manager, now have my own small business (VERY small, with one employee - me).  

        I'm not an inventor, but I'm around a lot of them and admire them immensely.  A lot of them support Obama.  I have no problem saying that there are some businesspeople worthy of admiration versus some that are slimeballs.  Obama had tremendous support out here in 2008 - I was volunteering at a Silicon Valley office with dozens, eventually hundreds of phone volunteers, many of them with similar backgrounds to me.  Do you really want to lose the support of those people? You will if you move to the "all businessmen BAD" rhetoric.

        •  Well, that's okay. I don't mind. (3+ / 0-)
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          I know that were gonna lose a lot of upper income whites with a more working class approach. Fact is though, there are a lot more retail workers, construction workers, cleaning ladies, truck drivers, warehouse foremen, etc. etc., than there are inventors and high tech people. Yes, I'd rather inventors just be Republicans if they want the Democratic Party to pay attention to their concerns.

          Silicon Valley? Fuck em. They're doing just fine. They don't need any help.

          What we need is a party that stands up for people who make a lot less money doing a lot less interesting shit. Mainly because they're more of them. But also because they're the ones in need of allies in Washington, not tech guys.

      •  Agreed & well said BBB (0+ / 0-)

        The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

        by a2nite on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 12:53:36 PM PDT

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    •  Jobs & Reagan are in the same circle of hell (0+ / 0-)

      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 12:52:53 PM PDT

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