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  •  You make my neck itch (0+ / 0-)

    Every diary you have posted contains verbatim winger talking points:  you quote them to ostensibly refute them.  But I find your refutations weak and your winger quotes pervasive.  You claim to be a gay man from OKC interested in gay rights and child hunger, yet you sure have posted lots of diaries about my uterus.  You make my neck itch real bad.  Just going on record here.

    •  No One Here Is Talking About Your Uterus (0+ / 0-)

       If you had bothered to do a little more research than you did, you'd find that I have a lot to say about a lot of things, as I do have a website and I do post about five times a week.

      I'm certainly not going to defend myself to you or anyone. I'll freely talk about whatever I care to talk about and if you don't like my writings, you're perfectly welcome not to read them.

      Also Carol, your critique of me is narrow and has no specifics, meaning you're just trying your best to insult me.

      So okay, you did your thing, now why not move onto another target, that is unless you have something to offer concerning this article besides petty insults to its author.

      Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

      by fidlerten on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 05:44:52 AM PDT

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      •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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        I apologize:  I was unnecessarily dickish.  Perhaps someone will come along and hide-rate this comment so it will fall out of your diary.  In the meantime, I'll try to formulate a comment to your diary that isn't so dickish, and is more specific.

        •  Thank You, (1+ / 0-)
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          Carol in San Antonio

          Apology accepted.

          And, as a gay man who remembers well the time I had to convince others I was straight, I find your skepticism of my homosexuality something I can savor like chocolate.

          I will of course not defend that either as it's a battle that would be just too pleasurable for me to pursue with you.

          As if I gave you the remnants of my gay life and the many dark corners I have traveled because of it, you would surely realize you've met not only a gay man, but one who knows that life well.

          Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

          by fidlerten on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:30:58 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not skeptical of your sexuality! (1+ / 0-)
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            And really not interested in it, either.  I guess I just haven't seen too many gay men writing about abortion and discussing ways for girls and women to be persuaded not to have "babies ripped from their wombs" so that the "unwanted babies" can be given to "decent people" instead (that's just some of my recollections of some of your work here).  That's what was an odd juxtaposition for me; it would never occur to me to write an article about being a gay man, or how they should live.    

            I haven't seen too many gay men using the word "homosexual" either; but what do I know?  I'm not a gay man.  And you are.  So should I start calling my gay friends "homosexuals" now?  I really thought that was not the preferred term, seeing how homophobes have used it as a pejorative all these years.  But I'll defer to your judgment on that, and trust you will defer to women what to have or keep in their uteri.

            thanks much, look forward to reading your diaries in the future.

            And oh, it's 'Barack Hussein Obama" (minor typo in your diary).  I love seeing his entire name written out as often as possible!  Every time I see it, it reminds me of the meaning of his name:  beautiful, beloved of God (although I know right-wingers sometimes use it as a pejorative or a dog-whistle, too.  But, heh, that dog won't hunt with us liberals, right?)

            •  You Have Misquoted Me (1+ / 0-)
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              Carol in San Antonio

              I don't mind at all that you want to slam me; I'm a big boy and can take it. Surely it's something I've done all my life. Then of course, I can hand it out as good as I can take it.

              First, You  need to take something back. You put these words in quotation marks as though you're quoting me and you know you're not:

               "babies ripped from their wombs"

              I would never say anything like that.

              Now, as far as me talking about abortion - maybe if you really read what I said instead of do some kind of scan of my work - which appears to be what you and several others did - you'd realize that my opinion of abortion is that women should always have the say so when it comes to abortion, but by your words and others post I've read, I don't think you really read very much of what I said.

              And if you want to talk about being gay, I certainly have no problem with that. I know you're speaking hypothetically but I'd love to hear someone non-gay person try to relate to us gay people; that would be interesting and entertaining for I'm sure not just me, but others as well.

              But Carol, let's talk about you instead now. For some reason you felt the need to come here and write a comment about my writing about abortion, even though this thread has nothing to do with abortion.

              I write about all kinds of things, sometimes things that aren't even political. Abortion is not on the top of my agenda, that's for sure. I'd rather talk about "Citizens United vs. FEC" because I think that's more significant than if you and your friends are having abortions.

              As far as I'm concerned; and have expressed this in my writings; I don't think "not being born" is a terrible thing. There were surely many moments in my life that I wished that I had never been born.

              As far as I'm concerned, if a woman isn't going to love that child then she might as well abort it. There's nothing worse than being born to a mother who doesn't love you - and that's where I speak from experience.

              So Carol, if you have emotional problems when it comes to abortion, I have emotional problems when it comes to being born.

              You can come back and tell me you don't have emotional problems about abortion but it pours from your words, so save me the defense, if that's what you want to do. I know hurt when I see it because I've dealt with a lot of it in my life.

              If you want to talk about your hurt, then that's what you should do and stop just talking about it in the abstract, which is what you're doing now.

              Thanks for the typo correction, we writers love free editing.

              Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

              by fidlerten on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:22:17 PM PDT

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              •  I apologize for misquoting you! (1+ / 0-)
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                To me, that seems like something that both sides in our political process could agree on. What better for us to do than to assure a child who otherwise might be cut from their mother’s womb, will instead go on and be born and be given to parents that will love them?
                To sum up what I’m saying here is, if those who care so much about those unborn children and want to stop abortion, then instead of trying to enforce their will on others,  find ways to encourage the women who would seek abortion to carry it full term instead. And then make it easier for decent people to adopt children, and this by making it much less expensive.
                Those are both from your diary Abortion and the Unwanted Child.

                So, you are again right!  I did misquote you!   You didn't say "babies ripped from their wombs," you said "cut from their mother's womb".  And you didn't say "unwanted babies," you said ""unwanted child" (from that diary title).  And you didn't say "decent people," oh, yes you did:  "make it easier for decent people to adopt children, and this by making it much less expensive. "

                How good that you want to make it "less expensive" for "decent people" to adopt all those "unwanted child[ren]" that otherwise would be "cut from their mother's womb."  That's so great of you!  Maybe we can put all those mothers onto a farm or something, just to ensure we feed them up right so their fetuses develop properly for "decent people" to adopt them.  And isn't that great that there are so many "decent people" waiting to adopt these poor, unfortunate spawn (oh sorry! paraphrasing again!  I mean "unwanted child[ren]") of those girls who just can't help themselves  from breeding inappropriately. But only if we can make it  "less expensive."

                Really sorry I misquoted you!  Sure hope this clears everything up!  

                And oh, about me!  You gest!  I truly have no need to go around saying "I'm a straight woman," like you keep repeating "I'm a gay man."  Oh, sorry!  That should be "I'm a homosexual man."  Sorry to keep misquoting you:  I get it!  You're gay!  or "homosexual," or whatever.  (you never did say which term you prefer)  I'm sure you know all about all the "many dark corners" of being a "gay man."  You go!

                As for me?  Meh.  On the internet, no one knows I'm a dog.  :)

                •  Dogs Need Love Too! (0+ / 0-)

                  The word "homosexual' is the professional or the medical term for someone who is gay. I prefer gay but when talking about being gay, the word "homosexual" is not an insult to a gay person. "Fag" "Queer" and a few other choice names are derogatory unless we gays are using toward each other, but even then that might not be a good idea. Kind of like the "N' word with black people - someone who is black can use it a lot easier than someone who isn't. Same thing for derogatory terms for a gay person.

                  I do think you're putting way too much into what I said about abortion. I never implied women should be done anything with. Like I keep repeating to you and which I've made very plain in my articles, I don't think that anyone has any business telling a woman what to do with their own bodies and as long as a fetus is still inside a woman's womb, it is part of her body and it's her decision what to do about it.

                  I only speak of adoption because I believe there's a great deal of people out there who would love to adopt children but it's too expensive. I also see nothing wrong with encouraging, or at least making available to women to have more than two choices. In the end, it is still up to each woman what to do, no one else, period.

                  And Carol, you don't need to apply all the sarcasm - if you disagree with me, then just say so and then we can discuss it. You're instead choosing to show your pain when you talk to me about it.

                  If you think I don't understand, then you should help me to understand what I don't understand.

                  I would hope that if anything you could pick up from what you've read of my writing, you'd understand that I'm a reasonable and thoughtful person.

                  As far as you're quoting me; I had no problem with anything but the "ripped" word which was just something that doesn't bring a very pretty picture to my head.

                  Now, try lightening up. If you want to carry on a conversation with  me, then show respect, not sarcasm and I'll try to do the same with you.

                  Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

                  by fidlerten on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:09:55 PM PDT

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