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  •  Ironic isn't it? (15+ / 0-)

    Jesus taught a doctrine of universal love and brotherhood and in the parable of the Good Samaritan he taught that priests and clerics who adhere to religious law and forget their common humanity that supersedes religion... have missed his message entirely!

    Yet the face of "modern christianity" (small c) are the Evilgelicals and Talibaptists preaching a gospel of hatred, intolerance, and divisiveness that Jesus himself would not recognize.

    They use their "religion" as a club to hit others with and stand in judgement of those who are "different" despite Jesus' admonitions to do the exact opposite.

    No wonder the young turn from the church and if Jesus were alive today to see what has been done in his name he would weep.

    •  Yeah, exactly (5+ / 0-)

      That was the thing that I could never quite reconcile. And that was what made the whole thing seem like a sham.

    •  I remember seeing actual fragments ... (8+ / 0-)

      ... from the Gospel of Thomas manuscript in the British Library once.  

      (For those who don't know, that was one of the scrolls found in the jars in the caves, and it probably has the strongest claim to contain actual quotes from the actual Jesus.  It is just a collection of quotes, without all the later filler, written down at most one or two generations after Jesus' life.)

      I was really struck by the translations of the fragments, for it didn't quite sound like any Jesus I'd ever been presented with before.  He sounded like a real person.  And, even more striking, in those fragments he was warning against and condemning everything organized Christianity actually later became (as you allude to).

      •  Does that mean he was some kinda damn activist (4+ / 0-)
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        or something? Probly some damn communististical homosexualist rabble rouser, donchaknow? Stirrin' up troubles for decent folks, don't know his place gettin' all uppity and such..

        That's what religion is for far too many Americans, especially those of Tea Party leanings. And if that's what they believe, then I don't want to touch it with somebody else's ten foot pole.

        Your black cards can make you money, so you hide them when you're able; in the land of milk and honey, you must put them on the table - Steely Dan

        by OrdinaryIowan on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 12:50:21 PM PDT

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        •  The question is... (2+ / 0-)
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          Is what the Evilgelicals and Talibaptist preach really Christianity?

          I don't think so...

          •  I don't either.. (2+ / 0-)
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            it's just wrong on so many levels.

            Your black cards can make you money, so you hide them when you're able; in the land of milk and honey, you must put them on the table - Steely Dan

            by OrdinaryIowan on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 01:42:31 PM PDT

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          •  Bingo! (0+ / 0-)

            I have long argued that many Christians are really Jews for Jesus, being as dedicated to the Old Testament as they are. I have always been fascinated by the transformation from psycho-god to amiable-grandpa-god that occurred post-Jesus. Quite a marketing job, eh?

            I AM the Chosen One, according to my emails, so listen up!

            by numi on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 03:24:18 PM PDT

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            •  Galbraith had a better take on it... (1+ / 0-)
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              The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
              ---John Kenneth Galbraith
              Most of those Talibaptists have never really studied theology except in places that teach their twisted view... ie. Bob Jones University etc. etc. nor have they take the time to study the history of early Christianity.

              They use snip-its of the gospels and the Old Testament to try to put a sickly thin patina of moral justification on their own biases and selfish desires. They put out aberrations like the "Prosperity Gospel"... you are poor because you are a sinner so you deserve to suffer... which completely is the opposite of direct sermons from Jesus' mouth.

              If you read Dr. Pagels fro Princeton University you find out that there was no one unified Christian church and a wide variety of belief systems.

              The current church has more to do with power and the deal struck by the Emperor Constantine and the early church Hierarchy... the head of the church got control of the doctrine and Constantine got "the divine right of kings." Everyone who disagreed with them was murdered.

              As to the "psycho-god to amiable-grandpa-god" or the transition from "wrathful God" to "all loving father God"... that too is not fully understood by the Talibaptist either. I'd have to go into Jewish mysticism though to explain Chokmah... Shekinah... and the Christian equivalent Sophia or Wisdom... the female consort of God spoken of in Proverbs 8: 22-31. (she is hiding in plain sight except in the Talipatists "new revised editions that expunge her.)

              I've collected several theologians doctoral theses on the shift from teh feminine Sophia to the Masculine Logos... at the heart of the shift you mention.  

      •  Recommendation... (2+ / 0-)
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        To get into the Gospel of Thomas I recommend anything by Dr. Elaine Pagels from the divinity department at Princeton University.

        The Gnostic gospels are her main area or research and yup... much of what you say is in there. It is the only gospel that doesn't tell a narrative but is a collection of the sayings of Christ. Sixty percent of it can  be found in the canonical gospels... but how it differs is:

        1. Jesus is the son of God... but we are all the sons and daughters of God.

        2. You don't need a priest or intercessor or church to be in communion with God. (that one got most of them murdered by the Emperor Constantine and the good church fathers).

        3. Jesus taught that in things of the spirit women were equal to men. (not a big seller even today in church circles)

        4. By communion what was meant was a direct experience of God... Gnosis... not faith in... but direct experience of him/her.

        5. The Gnostics practiced forms of contemplative meditation... most of those practices died with them unfortunately, but some survived in Coptic monasteries.

        The Gospel of Thomas dates to the first century and there is no more proof of its validity than what is offered up for the canonical gospels of the modern church.

        Most contemporary Gnostic Christians use the Trappist Monks practice known as "The Centering Prayer of the Heart" which is similar to the Zen Buddhist mindfulness meditation and available on-line. (the monastic orders of the church are quite different from the usual parish priests... in fact worlds apart.)

        If you are interested...

        Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas
        http://www.amazon.com/...

        Kyrie Centering Prayer
        http://www.kyrie.com/...  

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