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  •  Maybe I'm the exception here, (6+ / 0-)

    but I don't think that receiving campaign contributions from Wall Street automatically makes a candidate objectionable.

    •  Unfortunately, candidates can't win without money. (1+ / 0-)
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      All this needs changing.

    •  If that were the case... (7+ / 0-)

      Then there a whole lot of Dems, especially in Greater NYC, who are awfully "objectionable" for "taking Wall Street contributions". Is Kirsten Gillibrand now "objectionable"? And Chuck Schumer?

      Let's face it. The financial industry has a lot of juice in the Tri-State Region, much like how the gaming & mining industries have a lot of juice here in Nevada, and how Silicon Valley dominates Northern California while Hollywood calls the shots in Southern California. (Btw, that's why there's a regional divide in the CA Congressional delegation on SOPA.)

      And until we're able to get all corporate money out of our politics, this is a problem we'll continue to see across the country.

      •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't think it makes them objectionable.

      •  I have a problem with Gillibrand's (0+ / 0-)

        fundraising source, just like I have a problem with Schumer's and I had a problem with Dodd's. We can't ignore the problem, because it will continue. We really can't excuse it either. Just because he's from Connecticut is no excuse and it shouldn't be. The same with Gillibrand and Schumer. He only turned into a "solid economic progressive" when he ran for Senate.

        20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

        by ndrwmls10 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:35:47 AM PDT

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        •  Has Murphy changed his positions or emphases? (2+ / 0-)
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          I also suspect that looking at absolute numbers is a mistake.  Murphy, since he's running for statewide office in an expensive state, has probably raised more than most House Democrats have, period.  Where does he stand in percentage terms?

          26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

          by Xenocrypt on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:01:32 AM PDT

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          •  right (2+ / 0-)
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            and Susan B has collected several hundred thousand dollars from Wall Street herself (albeit not as much as Murphy) - so that leaves us with three options

            1) Be dissatisfied with both candidates
            2) Disregard Wall Street contributions as an issue
            3) Say that Wall Street contributions are only problematic once they cross a certain (arbitrary) threshold

            3) seems pretty ridiculous to me.

            Voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

            by sapelcovits on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:08:51 AM PDT

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            •  There's also the problem of conflating (2+ / 0-)
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              People with their employers, which OpenSecrets' classification encourages.  If I donate to a candidate it'll be because I agree with them, not because of the interests of my employer, the University of Pennsylvania.  But I'd be classified as "raising money from higher education".  Is the idea that candidates should swear off all donations from anyone working for a finance company?  Even a secretary?  Or something's suspicious?

              26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

              by Xenocrypt on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:18:21 AM PDT

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              •  I suspect you could also make (1+ / 0-)
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                a case that where one industry is very big, if not dominant, any candidate from that state will see a lot of donations from said industry. It's kind of like being surprised that a Democrat from New York or Los Angeles might have a lot of Jewish voters.

                "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

                by bjssp on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:48:18 AM PDT

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                •  right (2+ / 0-)
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                  except it is a legitimate issue, since Jewish voters aren't responsible for fucking over a lot of people. (Well, I am, but most Jewish voters aren't ;)) so it's not unreasonable to get worked up about Wall Street contributions per se, but both candidates have accepted contributions from Wall Street, so why does it really matter who's gotten more?

                  And as David and Xenocrypt point out, these are individual donations, by people who may have their own personal reasons for giving to a candidate beyond wanting the candidate to support their industry.

                  so like I said before, you either have to trust that both candidates will be good stewards of the middle class, or just accept that this is what we have. (Is there even a third option in the race? I vaguely recall 2010 candidate Merrick Alpert saying he'd run, but I'm not sure if he made the ballot, and at any rate he'd hardly some progressive savior.)

                  Voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

                  by sapelcovits on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:22:32 AM PDT

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              •  This, a thousand times (1+ / 0-)
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                I think OpenSecrets does a huge disservice to politics by classing individual human beings' donations as belonging to some sort of industry.

                Political Director, Daily Kos

                by David Nir on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:08:19 AM PDT

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                •  They sometimes might be (1+ / 0-)
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                  But, for example, Kyrsten Sinema probably didn't get money from Norman Lear because she's in hock to the television industry--it was probably more because she's on the board of the People for the American Way Foundation and he founded People for the American Way.  I think the OpenSecrets approach is defensible as a crude start, but it should never be confused with a careful fundraising analysis.  

                  26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

                  by Xenocrypt on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:23:38 AM PDT

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            •  Bysiewicz is not going to win. (0+ / 0-)

              So it doesn't even matter in her case. We are talking about Murphy.

              20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

              by ndrwmls10 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:19:04 AM PDT

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          •  The only position Murphy has held (1+ / 0-)
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            that has caused me to raise my eyebrows is voting for the carried interest loophole, but I think he only did that once and has since walked back or at least expressed openness to modifying his view.

            "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

            by bjssp on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:45:23 AM PDT

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        •  I find less of an excuse for Schumer and (0+ / 0-)

          Gillibrand than I do for someone like Murphy. I'd imagine New York is big and diverse enough that you could find other sources of money besides Wall Street.

          Anyway, look at the way he votes.

          "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

          by bjssp on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:44:06 AM PDT

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          •  I don't think that's right (2+ / 0-)
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            Wall Street is most dominant in the state where the literal Wall Street actually is.

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            by David Nir on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:09:19 AM PDT

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            •  exactly right (1+ / 0-)
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              if Gilly and Schumer didn't accept Wall Street donations, they wouldn't be such dominant fundraisers in the first place. Of course, they could be sneaky and stick it to Wall Street by creating PACs and giving to candidates in other states who oppose Wall Street...but I'm not sure if that would fly unnoticed or if it would jeopardize their Wall Street fundraising.

              Voting in RI-01, went to college in IL-01.

              by sapelcovits on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 11:28:07 AM PDT

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        •  It's an important industry in metro NYC (0+ / 0-)

          like Boeing / Microsoft money is in WA, Silicon Valley money in N Cal, etc.

          Economic progressives support the job base in their states.

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          by tietack on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:53:02 PM PDT

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      •  yep (2+ / 0-)
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        Even if there were no corporate money in politics, a local area's backbone industry is going to be popular and influential in that area.

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        by sacman701 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:54:01 AM PDT

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    •  I don't, either. (0+ / 0-)

      I feel this way even more strongly about candidates in smaller states where the industry in question is big.

      "The election of Mitt Romney and a supporting congress this November would be a...disaster for America. Think of the trainwreck that has been the Conservative government in Britain since 2010. And square it."--Brad DeLong

      by bjssp on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:42:26 AM PDT

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