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    Senor Unoball

    Given that this individual has no penis, why are the women worried about being sexually assaulted?

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    by Zornorph on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:06:47 AM PDT

    •  Maybe it's just the emotional triggers (1+ / 0-)
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      Carol in San Antonio

      After suffering a life of rape by her stepfather, C is simply terrified of being housed next to a person who committed such a horrible rape himself.

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      by Senor Unoball on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:27:11 AM PDT

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    •  Even in prison (4+ / 0-)

      there are ways to rape without a penis

    •  Sexual assault (3+ / 0-)
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      Senor Unoball, Brown Thrasher, grover

      doesn't necessarily involve a penis.  

      •  No, it most certainly does not (1+ / 0-)
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        Carol in San Antonio

        And what about the emotional fear of being housed in cells next to this person?

        Yeah, I know, ironic, ain't it... convicted murderers being scared of somebody like this.

        But they are.

        And that fear led to one fight, in an already violent and dangerous place, and now several people may be facing additional charges.

        (I don't know how that fight started. Whether the women just preemptively attacked Masbruch, or whether she did something first and the other inmates fought back.)

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        by Senor Unoball on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 10:18:23 AM PDT

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      •  Which is exactly the problem with this diary. (5+ / 0-)

        Sexual assault doesn't necessarily involve a penis, and it doesn't necessarily involve being male. Women commit rape and sexual assault as well. Against other women. Those who are born with female genitals, when convicted, are sent to women's prisons, and nobody argues that they ought to be sent to men's prisons.

        Would these women have the same problem with a convicted rapist who was born with female genitals? Likely not.

        But why? Masbruch's odds of reoffending are, if anything, likely lower than a non-trans female rapist's; she's been through years of exactly the same medical regimen used to "chemically castrate" male sexual offenders (because it demonstrably lowers the risk of reoffending), and on top of that, she's now surgically castrated. A born-female rapist has already demonstrated an ability to rape as a woman with female hormones; Masbruch has not. On top of that, I'm unable to dig up even a single instance of a medically-transitioned trans woman committing a rape.

        As a survivor myself, I completely understand the trauma aspects. But you don't get to use your experience of trauma as an excuse for bigotry. And that's what this is: just plain bigotry. Bigotry with an ugly, ugly goal: to get a woman sent back to a place where she will be violently raped by actual men. Where she stands an extremely high chance of contracting HIV, if she hasn't already. Where she's likely to die.

        Bigotry that has, in fact, already shown its hand in a group assault on its victim with a weapon. Somehow, the victim is supposed to be the bad person here?

        I'm going to go be sick now.

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        by kyril on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 11:34:01 AM PDT

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          kyril, Carol in San Antonio

          Thanks for this.

          A lot to think about, and I pretty much agree with all.

          That is why I think that predatory inmates need to be kept apart from potential victims, for the safety of everybody.

          Ideally, the state should have a facility in which transgendered inmates could be housed safely. Given California budget issues, that's obviously not realistic, unless Masbruch is sent to the state medical facility where it would be easier to segregate for safety's sake.

          I'm not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was. -- Mitt the Twit

          by Senor Unoball on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 11:49:32 AM PDT

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