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  •  I appreciate your intent (8+ / 0-)

    But I don't find arguments like this helpful.

    Every Christian picks and chooses what parts of the Bible they believe and discards the rest. One has to do that in order to believe- it's a book written thousands of years ago. No one can live up to it in this day and age.

    However, I don't really care about what Christ taught or what he said or what  this passage means or anything else. It simply has no place in politics. End of story.

    You can write this diary- a good one, to be clear, and someone else on Redstate can write a diary about how you can't be a Democrat and a Christian, and they'll also use Bible passages to support that.

    But I'm certainly not inclined to have one party claim the mantle of Christ, even if it's ours, and even if some well-intentioned and reasonable Christians believe it is just. Believe all you want. But government and religion are two separate things, and I don't like it when anyone tries to tie the two together.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:04:16 PM PDT

    •  I don't think (0+ / 0-)

      you're a crackpot at all. :)

    •  until the day that the rightwingnuts agree: (1+ / 0-)
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      what Christ taught ... has no place in politics.
      it is fair game to call them out on their hypocrisy
    •  Actually, what Christ taught does belong (1+ / 0-)
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      in politics. For people who consider themselves to be Christians, those teachings belong in every aspect of their lives. The issue isn't whether Christian (or Judaic, or Islamic, or Hindu, or Humanist, or whatever) teachings belong in politics, but whether they should be enshrined as doctrine in law and civil society. It's ultimately a question of humility -- if you believe that you are right, you have none. If you believe that the faith tradition to which you cleave is right, and accept that your understanding of its precepts is at best deeply flawed, you begin to have the humility necessary to allow your religion to inform your actions and public involvement without assuming that everyone should live according to your belief system.

      My Christian faith teaches me many things that enter my politics: the sacredness of human life, hence the vileness of war and the death penalty; the fragility of human persons, thus the need to protect the weak and the impoverished and the disenfranchised; the power of hope, thus the need to work consistently to build a more just and egalitarian society.

      In many ways, the difference between conservative Christians and liberal Christians is less which parts of the Bible we believe in, but how we read it. You can read the words -- the literalist approach -- or you can read behind the words to the intent. I've yet to meet a Biblical literalist who isn't a social conservative; I've met few Intentionalists who are.

      So it's not really useful to claim that religion shouldn't inform our politics; there's no way to prevent it. The question is whether we approach that involvement with humility in our limits or certitude in our convictions.

      "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

      by pragmaticidealist on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:29:56 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        A lot of what Christ taught should inform our politics--it's just that Republicans seem to be getting literally all of it wrong.

      •  Well said. (5+ / 0-)

        I would have clicked on the recommend button, but you made your comment nearly three years ago, so I guess the button was retired.

        I don't quite understand why this diary has been resurrected, but I'm glad it was, because I missed it the first time.

        Your comment is the best analysis of the place of Christianity in public (and private) life that I have read.
        Especially this:

        My Christian faith teaches me many things that enter my politics: the sacredness of human life, hence the vileness of war and the death penalty; the fragility of human persons, thus the need to protect the weak and the impoverished and the disenfranchised; the power of hope, thus the need to work consistently to build a more just and egalitarian society.
        You're my new role model for commentary.

        Light does not remove darkness. It shines against it.
        This is an important distinction...if you are light. Rev. Traci Blackmon

      •  Too late to rec or I would. You NAILED it. ... (3+ / 0-)
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        ... Your final paragraph is solid gold.

        Thank you.

        One size of anything NEVER fits all.

        by KDfrAZ on Sat Apr 04, 2015 at 02:14:27 PM PDT

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      •  May I (1+ / 0-)
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        I have copied and saved your post and will share it with many people. Where I can I will attribute.

        This is an excellent post.

        Carole Kenney (Facebook 2015-04-02) : Remember that when you throw something awa, there is no "away".

        by HSans on Sat Apr 04, 2015 at 07:51:46 PM PDT

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    •  Not so. (0+ / 0-)

      Everything in the Bible is correct and true.  Only a fool disregards parts of it who is a true follower of Christ.

       Democrats don't play the Christian card like the Republicans do.  Republicans say they are Christian but their actions don't  support their words.  

      I am a Christian and vote for MODERATE Republicans or Democrats.  The word is MODERATE not the worthless right wing Republican people you all voted into office.

      I feel it's  time Republicans stop using the religion card.  They make us REAL CHISTIANS look bad.

    •  Different Framing (1+ / 0-)
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      The bible isn't a set of strictures to be lived up to or fulfilled. The bible itself, at least if you take the the New Testament along with it, has been fulfilled, according to the bible itself. It's a guide for personal growth and improvement. You can find a great deal of NT teaching echoed in the Tao Te Ching, or the Bhagavad Gita, or the Buddhavacana, or in a great deal of other major spiritual traditions around the world.

      "You can write this diary- a good one, to be clear, and someone else on Redstate can write a diary about how you can't be a Democrat and a Christian, and they'll also use Bible passages to support that."

      Yes, someone on Redstate can indeed engage in the fallacy of irrelevant evidence. I could argue that I know the sky is blue because dust accumulates on my nightstand. The two simply aren't connected, no matter how much I assert that they are.

      "But I'm certainly not inclined to have one party claim the mantle of Christ, even if it's ours, and even if some well-intentioned and reasonable Christians believe it is just. Believe all you want. But government and religion are two separate things, and I don't like it when anyone tries to tie the two together."

      You won't get any argument from me on that point, but just because a Republican, or a Democrat for that matter, starts talking about religion, philosophy, or tries to make some argument based on a sacred text, doesn't mean we shouldn't engage, explore, and challenge the idea just because they're making said argument in the name of their political party.

      Honestly, there are few things in this world that would make me as happy as reclaiming humanity's sacred texts from the fundamentalist whackos who currently try to monopolize them, and wield them as political tools. Maybe by doing so, we take out the religious pillar of support that Republicans use, thereby removing religion from politics entirely. Sure, we already have laws against it, but we see what kind of effect those are having. Ideas are like diseases; they don't give a shit about laws, and they can spread far and fast.

    •  Absolutely! (0+ / 0-)

      Carole Kenney (Facebook 2015-04-02) : Remember that when you throw something awa, there is no "away".

      by HSans on Sat Apr 04, 2015 at 07:37:32 PM PDT

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