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  •  Great diary (5+ / 0-)

    The simple matter is this:

    Mitt's class makes money off of moving ownership pieces and bids of companies that create products and refine resources. They rely upon these companies always and forever being for sale and all commodities and labor being for sale to the highest bidder, without any national, regional, or ethical impediment. As a class, they take percentages on each exchange.

    Chavez wanted to escape IMF and other issues and invoked Bolivar, but what he did that is a threat, a deep threat to Mitt, is the simple thing: he nationalized oil. This is the only way to "drill here, drill now" and have lower prices, by the way. It is the only way to escape natural resources being "fungible."

    Now me? I think Chavez himself wastes, inflates, and has problems of the cult of personality, and I think he uses false nostalgia to mask and thus misdirect what is a proper socialist response to globalism. (I.e. I'm not sure that colonialism is at all the proper model for thinking of capitalism today. On the exchange level, that's how it works, but on the macro-level, there is no loyalty or nationality.) I think nationalizing what is local and reinventing the nation, on the other hand, may be the right intermediary response to the dissolution of borders in globalism.

    Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

    by The Geogre on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 02:11:34 AM PDT

    •  No, Definitely Not Mere "false Nostalgia" (3+ / 0-)
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      I wish the U.S. Left would weave American revolutionary history as integrally into socialist ideas as Chavez does.  Chavez has done this brilliantly.  It is very important to building social consciousness.

      In fighting for revolutionary changes, we need to use our own revolutionary history far more intensely.  Professor Howard Zinn has really provided us with all we need, but we need to use it!  How I wish he were alive to show us how to do it!

      Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

      by Justina on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 08:19:37 AM PDT

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      •  I'll explain (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't want to be all "non-orthodox Marxist" stuff or take away from the diary. It seems to me that invoking the Bolivarian model is to try to cast Venezuela's current situation as one of colonialism and imperialism. It isn't.

        Cuba faced that position, but Venezuela had been post-colonial already. His nationalization repatriated, as the diarist notes, the wealth of the nation. In a sense, he reinstituted a nation-state against the effects of the multinational corporation and the transnational millionaire. There is an antagonism inherent in the anti-colonial discourse that's necessary when an oppressed minority or indigenous population has to fight against an invader. Maintaining that language and metaphor after the base economic conditions have changed can lead to nationalism and leader cults.

        The nation state, no more than ethnicity, should be allowed to become a wedge for differential treatment. The more either one leads to accumulations of power, the more dangerous it is.

        Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

        by The Geogre on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 08:49:27 AM PDT

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        •  Ethics of Capitalism Pervade the World. (0+ / 0-)

          The U.S.'s oil industry controlled Venezuela through its puppets for many years, and the ethics (or competitive, anti-human non-ethics) still rules in many sectors of Venezuelan society, not merely in the still operational capitalist companies that operate here.

          Changing a mentality from "What's in it for me?" to "What's in it for me and the whole community" takes decades.  Venezuela is simply not there there.

          Meanwhile, the U.S.'s imperialist military surrounds Venezuela, much like it surrounds Iran.  The U.S. even resurrected its 4th Fleet, in month balls since the 1950's, to threaten Venezuela on its Caribbean and Atlantic Coasts.

          It recently tried to erect 7 new military bases in Colombia, one virtually on Venezuela's western border, right near one of its major oil fields.  Fortunately, this was stopped by Colombia's Supreme Court.

          The U.S. actively girded former President Uribe to send paramilitaries into Venezuela to assassinate President Chavez and to try to create havoc here. Uribe is still trying to bring President Chavez down by his anti-Chavez antics at the Colombia-Venezuelan border with the local anti-Chavez opposition.

          So Venezuela will be a military threat to the U.S., but the U.S. currently is a major threat to Venezuela.  After all, it funded the 2002 coup and the 2002-03 oil strike, as well as still providing funds to opposition parties here in hopes of ousting the Chavez government.

          Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

          by Justina on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 12:45:11 PM PDT

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          •  Whoops, I Left Out a "Not". (0+ / 0-)

            Should be:  "So Venezuela will not be a military threat to the U.S., but..."

            Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

            by Justina on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 05:18:14 PM PDT

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          •  Carefully... (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, the U.S. has been stupidly belligerant toward Venezuela. No, the oil industry was not solely American in its culture, as the "American" oil companies were not American in culture post US peak in 1974. However, what you reiterate after that is the very worrisome charge of conspiracy for explanation that serves to bolster the person rather than the system. That's what I do not like about Chavez.

            I would rather Evo Morales, who did represent indigenous peoples and who did not build up a personality based system. Democracy and socialism are partners, and that's why the essentially nostalgic gesture of invoking the Cuban experience for Venezuela is wrong: it has inherent in it a set of enemies and a justification for . . . almost anything.

            Has the U.S. continued its Reaganesque nonsense? I don't believe it has. I know that Chavez has claimed that there are assassination attempts against him, but I believe that a U.S. effort would be both more and less successful than this. (More violence would occur, and there would be a lot more evidence. It would not be one person saying it. It would not be even the non-aligned coalition, such as it is, skeptical.) Let's be loyal to socialism and democracy.

            Every reductio ad absurdum will seem like a good idea to some fool or another.

            by The Geogre on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 05:31:34 PM PDT

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            •  Ah Yes, the Efficient U.S. CIA... (0+ / 0-)

              The George wrote:

              I know that Chavez has claimed that there are assassination attempts against him, but I believe that a U.S. effort would be both more and less successful than this. (More violence would occur, and there would be a lot more evidence.
              Er... have you forgotten about the disastrous Bay of Pigs attack, the 59 or more documented failed CIA attempts on the life of Castro, the exploding cigar, the poisoned diving suit.  Please, the CIA's screw-ups are legion.

              Over a hundred paramilitaries with Colombian IDs were arrested on a farm outside Caracas belonging to a well-known opposition supporter, complete with guns, granades and admitted plans to assassinate Chavez and to "start a revolution" in Caracas.  And there have been more attempts, just not publicized by the western media.

              Then there are the Wikileaks State Department documents suggesting U.S. complicity with Uribe's Colombia in fomenting problems in Colombia-Venezuelan border areas.

              Ex- Colombia president, Uribe, U.S. puppet par excellance is still trying to foment trouble in Venezuela with his forays to the middle of the bridge between the CĂșcuta (Co) - St. Antonio de Tachira (Ve) border within the last two weeks, demanding Chavez's removal.

              Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

              by Justina on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 08:30:35 PM PDT

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