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  •  This diary REALLY doesn't belong here, imo (1+ / 0-)
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    For one thing, Chavez has a mixed record and seems confused about what "socialism" means. He seems to conflate it with Communism, not the more benevolent and wiser European democratic socialism. So if Democrats really don't mind not distancing themselves from dictators and Communists (the way Chavez doesn't mind it), then they should talk about Chavez in the same un-nuanced terms he talks about himself, as this diary does.

    Chavez has done some things that are obviously anti-democratic and it may be appropriate that he pals around with Castro, Putin, Ahmadinejad and the now deceased Gaddafi. Obama, on the other hand, was embarrassed by him and distanced himself from Chavez. It's irresponsible not to point things like this out when talking about Chavez.

    Really, Daily Kos and the Democratic Party in the United States isn't about "anti-capitalism" is it? The Democrats in the U.S. sure aren't and wouldn't want to be thought of that way.

    Obama said most recently, "But overall my sense is that what Mr. Chávez has done over the last several years has not had a serious national security impact on us. We have to be vigilant. My main concern when it comes to Venezuela is having the Venezuelan people have a voice in their affairs, and that you end up ultimately having fair and free elections, which we don't always see."

    You see, that's not a ringing endorsement. It says we have to watch this guy. He's a bit of a security threat but not a great threat and he is not all that democratic.

    Like Obama, I should think the Daily Kos community would feel embarrassed by this diary with all its lack of subtlety.

    It only HELPS Romney and his misguided attack on Obama. Chavez may be pro-Obama (at the moment!) but Obama is NOT pro-Chavez.

    Remember, Chavez called our President a "poor ignoramus" for saying this:

    Obama: "We need to be firm when we see this news, that Venezuela is exporting terrorist activities or supporting malicious entities like the FARC. This creates problems that are not acceptable."

    I don't mean to say Chavez has been all bad for Venezuela but he sure hasn't been GREAT for Venezuela (or the rest of the world) either.

    •  You Have Obviously Bought State Dept. B.S. (4+ / 0-)
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      chipmo, Cassiodorus, UnaSpenser, pot

      Enjoy it if you like, but please don't try to censor my writing or DailyKos.

      Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support universal health care,unions, WikiLeaks and Occupy Wall Street! Time for a totally new, democratic economic system. Turn the corporations into worker cooperatives!

      by Justina on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 08:50:11 AM PDT

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    •  Open and fair elections? (4+ / 0-)
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      Cassiodorus, UnaSpenser, Justina, pot

      You mean, like the elections in the States, in which half of congress are wealthy? And where money drives the entire electoral process?

      We don't have fair elections here. We just pretend that we do.

      As to terrorism, we are a very good example ourselves, with the drone bombing of funerals, and killing woman and children, and with our multitude of immoral and illegal wars that make up a large part of our history.

      War is terrorism, as far as its victims are concerned. In fact, it is the ultimate form of terrorism. Would you like to revisit our history a bit? Vietnam, for example? Iraq?

      Venezuela may have a ways to go to improve its affairs, but holding up the U.S. as some sort of paragon of integrity creating a soabbox from which to preach to other countries, is a weak argument.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act". -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:46:21 AM PDT

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