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  •  no, the lie was block-quoted (1+ / 0-)
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    like I said, if he wants to make that assertion with regard to the US that's his choice.

    But to argue that the mixed models that are in place in Scandinavia, which have literally the best results in the world on economic and personal well-being measures, are all a scheme perpetrated to make the world safe for rich people,  that's not even within the realm of argument. It's blatantly false.

    "You try to vote or participate in the government/ and the muh'fuckin' Democrats is actin' like Republicans" ~ Kweli -8.00, -6.56

    by joey c on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 01:59:32 PM PDT

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    •  I answered you below (0+ / 0-)

      a full ten minutes before you posted this. Did you miss the reply?

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act". -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 03:14:15 PM PDT

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    •  That's not a lie (1+ / 0-)
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      That's Zhen's opinion. It might be simplistic or flat out wrong but calling it a lie is over the top.

      I understand why it might piss you off since, as you point out, it seemingly assumes bad faith on the part of those who struggled to build these systems. Nevertheless, it doesn't help matters to assume bad faith on Zhen's part in response. That just reduces the discussion to the level "you,re another one!".

      Better, I think, to demonstrate the falsity of the view presented rather than resorting to insult.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 03:37:57 PM PDT

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      •  Indeed... (0+ / 0-)

        My view could well be simplistic (although some highly respected thinkers have the same view) but it certainly was not a lie. I was referring to just the U.S., as I've made clear.

        I could just as easily say that the naysayers are naive. Do people really think capitalists, these geniuses of profiteering, didn't realize at some point that throwing a bone or two to the middles class and poor wouldn't' benefit them in the long run by making capitalism more palatable to the poor? Naive to think this would not have been considered.

        No matter... there is no need for this discussion to devolve into nothing more than insults.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act". -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:27:34 PM PDT

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