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  •  "Dangerous and usually not very accurate" (2+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Nucleo, ConfusedSkyes

    Not on the concern list of the shooter in the crowded theater. Maximizing rate of fire, is.

    Bump firing uses the natural recoil to pull the trigger automatically. Hard to control? Just buy a special adapter.

    Every AR-15 is now in essence a functional accurate automatic weapon.

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    •  Oh, the bump-fire adapter. Similar to the (1+ / 0-)
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      43north

      "Hellfire" crank adapters I used to see advertised.

      Yeah, there's little to no oversight into those. For example, a Gatling Gun is technically legal since each individual turn of the crank is a separate "action"; this operates on the same principle.

      To me it could and should be regulated like any other automatic-firing weapon, since it essentially creates or mimics the function thereof.

      No, a spree shooter doesn't care about dangerous or accurate. They're nuts, and these adapters are silly.

      Oh, not to harp, but "carpet-bombing" three or four comments all in one slew when it is obvious I haven't even had the chance to see the first one comes off as kinda... confrontational, in a rhetorical sense, if you know what I mean. Just FYI.

      •  I didn't carpet bomb (1+ / 0-)
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        I thought I had the video in the first post but I had not. I tend to bump fire preview post.

      •  Given that the U of Colo is investigating (0+ / 0-)

        the delivery of various mail orders to Holmes, I wonder that simply denying him access to guns would have stopped this particular criminal given the manner that his apartment was booby-trapped.

        This one seemed hell bent on causing mayhem and violence by any means available.

        The University suspects he used his credentials at the school to order dangerous substances that could have been used in his bomb making.

        •  I suspect that had he succeeded with his (0+ / 0-)

          explosives, that would (in the long run) have caused more damage. It is strange that he got captured alive, a lot of spree killers either do a "suicide by cop" or kill themselves after their deeds; this guy Holmes simply surrendered and casually told the police about his apartment being rigged.

          Good thing he did, although admittedly curious for someone in his mindset. A moment of clarity..?

          •  If he thinks he's the joker, then in the Batman (0+ / 0-)

            narrative, the villains are in and out of jail. So he may think that he is getting out of jail soon, so he can spread more mayhem. Much has been made about the discovery of a batman mask as well.

            I read last night that he tried to get membership at a shooting range. But that his messages on their answering machine were so weird, that the manager said, Hell No!, but that Holme's ended up not pursuing the request to join.

            The range mgt said that Holme's left messages in a gutteral voice that sounded freakishly weird. That made me think of other batman characters on the movies that use that sort of Clint Eastwood growl to speak.

            Maybe it's nothing.

            You know, its a shame that the Gun Range mgt didn't call the cops. But then again, I have personally gone through experiences where I have called the cops on what were visibly, unstable creatures, and the cops didn't do a damn thing. I even called the federalis in one case, and they seemed unimpressed.

            There seems to be a major disconnect between Law Enforcement and the Public right now. I have heard lots of stories from people about calling on stalkers and nothing happening.

            Maybe that's why people hesitate.

            It sucks getting the stink eye from law enforcement when you are trying to convey something important. They make you feel like you are reporting little green men in the piggly wiggly.

            •  It would seem to be a perfect case for the (0+ / 0-)

              Department of Homeland Security's "If you see something, say something" campaign...

              •  With respect (1+ / 0-)
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                It seems that its been amply demonstrated that law enforcement will not act before a crime has been committed if the only evidence is a witness saying "I have here a man or woman acting strangely." The presumption of innocence and the need for a warrant to investigate property chill enforcement, probably rightly. That is the flaw in saying that we need to police People, not guns. It cannot happen in the tradition of the presumption of innocense. That is why we need to further restrict weapons designed for military use, semiautomatic weapons, which, to a victim, are indistinguishable practically from an automatic.

                Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                by OregonOak on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 07:52:31 PM PDT

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                •  The notion that the "presumption of innocence" (1+ / 0-)
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                  will be suspended for a certain class of people is chilling, to say the least.

                  •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                    It seems our choice is to suspend the "presumption of innocence" for people, or to suspend our "tolerance of military use weapons" in public hands. I would support that latter before the former.

                    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

                    by OregonOak on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 06:08:57 AM PDT

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                    •  The weapons in use, the civilian versions (1+ / 0-)
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                      KVoimakas

                      of military-style/look-alike rifles, are not as capable as their actual military-issue cousins that they resemble.

                      There are 50 to 80 million legal, responsible gun owners in the USA. Collectively punishing all of them because of the actions of less than a couple hundred people over 2-3 decades, is not the way a thinking Progressive goes about things. Especially when many of those people, the spree killers, could have been caught by adequate application of existing laws, or by applying other laws and safeguards that would not require collective punishment.

                •  Some wacko leaving freaky messages on a GUN RANGE (0+ / 0-)

                  Message machine is way beyond the presumption of innocence. To me that's right up there with uttering threats against certain figures in the public.

                  It's not a convenience store, it's a Gun Range.

                  And when some guy tells me he wants to ride down all the liberals in the streets and [insert worst case scenario here].

                  Ding Ding Ding!

                  Freak Alert, Call the Cops. End of story.

                  Hey if he thinks that's a joke, then maybe the local coppers will have a big laugh with him. But I don't want to be that person in the news, after the fact saying, "I didn't think he was serious."

                  Certain utterances and behaviors require intervention.  Not that it does a damn bit of good, but at least I can look at myself in the mirror and sleep at night, knowing I attempted to do the right thing.

              •  Sure, but I refer back to my original comment: (0+ / 0-)
                There seems to be a major disconnect between Law Enforcement and the Public right now. I have heard lots of stories from people about calling on stalkers and nothing happening.
                But you know, now that I think about it, perhaps law enforcement just ignores *me, because I am a hysterical uterus.

                Maybe they listen to you.

                I honestly, don't know.

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