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  •  Unfortunately (for your tactic), Mormonism has (2+ / 0-)

    long outgrown its original source of one of the "twin pillars of barbarism." They actually embody the purest combination of capitalism and religion which is--really unfortunately--what the US has become all about. They are "hyper American", if you will; at least the whitest form of it. Until Romney has been revealed as a polygamist himself, nothing will be gained by bashing his religion as unAmerican. (Apparently, that is, as judged by polling showing that he is in no danger of losing states regularly dominated by conservative and evangelical voters.)

    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

    by bryduck on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 08:42:30 AM PDT

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    •  Not for the vast majority of American's who (4+ / 0-)

      aren't Mormon.

      It's creepy...period.

      There are several of them that ride bikes around our neighborhood.  White shirts & black ties blowing in the wind, just waiting to "enlighten" anyone that will listen to them.

      Most people avoid them like the plague.

    •  Enthusiasm (1+ / 0-)
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      gffish

      It may lower the enthusiasm of the base, meaning that there are some people who will not vote for him, or not vote at all because of his Mormonism.  (My opinion of course, but based on analysis and anecdotal evidence.)

      It will be impossible to know how many are affected by the Mormon issue unless they exit poll it.  I doubt they will.

      Case in point:

      In Texas, McCain beat Obama by 11 in 2008.  Romney is ahead by 7.

      In Tennessee, McCain beat Obama by 15 in 2008, but Romney is only ahead by 7.

      The latest polling on the subject that I have seen shows that 55% of those polled do not know that Romney is a Mormon.  

      I'd like to see what happens when those 55% find out.

      Of the Texas evangelicals that I know, about a third of them will not vote for a Mormon -- they consider it a sin.

      And, one of my cousins -- his wife left the Mormon church.  Her family no longer talks to her.  This is not uncommmon.  "The LDS church teaches that people leave for a variety of reasons, but that regardless of the reason the underlying cause is deception by Satan."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

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        But an enthusiastic vote is worth the same as an unenthusiastic one.  Moreover, Romney is in no danger of losing either Texas or Tenn.  Republican voters will take the Mormon over the black Kenyan socialist. That's how their xenophobic racist little minds work.  The Mormon business has little traction where it counts... in the overall EV outcome that decides elections.

        I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

        by Delilah on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:56:30 AM PDT

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        •  No offense (1+ / 0-)
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          But I don't think you read my comment clearly.  Perhaps you can see where your first line makes no sense.  I defined enthusiam:

          "It may lower the enthusiasm of the base, meaning that there are some people who will not vote for him, or not vote at all because of his Mormonism."

          I used Tenn and Texas to show polling discrepancies of 2012 vs 2008.  This was in rebuttal to a statement in the replied-to comment.

          Although Texas or Tennessee may not be in play, there are evangelicals in North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Montana, etc.

          Even a small % of these folks not voting could make a difference.  Therefore, I disagree with your last, conclusive statement.

          http://www.beliefnet.com/...

          •  I understand your perspective (1+ / 0-)
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            and appreciate it.  I am just not among those convinced that Romney's religion will have a notable effect (including the swing states you mentioned).   I believe the polling data shows a close race nationally and in swing states, with Romney running close to -- sometimes exceeding -- McCain's numbers.  I just don't see religion being much of an Achilles heel for Republican-leaning voters who would vote for anyone with the R next to his name.

            I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

            by Delilah on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 11:54:24 AM PDT

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            •  depends on what "notable" means (1+ / 0-)
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              I'd agree that mormonism won't be a bombshell issue.  However, it doesn't need to.  Maybe it makes a difference to .1% of voters.  Maybe Bain effects another .1%  His tax returns another .1%  and so on.  It all adds up.  Drip, drip, drip, as they say.

              •  Indeed. (0+ / 0-)

                There is a certain percentage of evangelicals that would have voted Republican, and will not vote for Romney.  And there are states where that can make a difference.  

                And like I said above, 55% of people don't even know he's a Mormon yet.  I look forward to someone putting the 'Mormon' info out, with all of its odd features noted.

                This election is hardball.

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