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  •  Have you nothing to say about the bombing of the (7+ / 0-)

    Syrian people by the Assad regime?

    Why is it you only want to lower the bar to HR abuses so you can try to make the FSA out just as bad or worst than the Assad regime?

    Why is it that you always show up just minutes after I publish a dairy on Syria to defend the Assad regime and attack his opposition?

    Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

    by Clay Claiborne on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:30:58 AM PDT

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    •  I don't defend the Assad regime (4+ / 0-)

      I am condemning both sides, unlike you. Both sides are Human rights violators and are responsible for the deaths of innocents. I just want the violence to stop but both sides keep on perpetuating it.

      The UN claims that both sides have violated the ceasefire agreement. The UN is holding both sides responsible, why are you in turn holding only Assad responsible? The picture is much bigger than that.

    •  Take it as a complement, Clay (2+ / 0-)
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      that they're watching you and think they have to counter you.

      Always keep in mind that these posters are promoting a conspiracy theory which is being generated and kept alive by Russian intelligence/propaganda agencies.  You may be facing unpaid amateurs with an awful lot of time on their hands, remarkable individual speed and coverage of all news Syria, unity of their views and argument strategies, and who just happen to check their DKos Stream every three minutes.  Or you may be dealing with professionals, an Internet surveillance machinery, preworked propaganda materials, and a political objective.

      •  Damn... the gigs up.... (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Yes. Everyone who disagrees that the Arab World (3+ / 0-)
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        can always be improved by offing a few tens of thousands of Arabs is part of a giant international conspiracy.

        That's a reasonable insinuation.

        Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

        by JesseCW on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 02:43:24 PM PDT

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        •  So are you in favor (0+ / 0-)

          of a humanitarian intervention in Syria to prevent further killing?  Yeah, I didn't think so.  Maybe those lives don't matter so much to you.

          We know there's one way wars and killings continue and/or recur.  Which is that conflicts remain unresolved and historical ethnic/religious group scores unsettled.

          We know there are two way wars and killings stop and don't recur.  Which is that either (a) the sides decide to call the scores even and settled for all time, or (b) they fight until they feel the scores are settled.  After that the sides can't have a government in common, or if they must it must operate on a combined consensus, reflect a choice not to not further abuse each other in an enduring way, and be beneficial to both.  This basically means a government that reflects and evolves into liberal democracy.

          I don't like that it is this way but it's how it works.  Have a look at Northern Ireland or the former Yugoslavia as places where you'd think historical strife and insult could be easily forgiven and forgotten and everyone just goes off and lives the better life of Modern technology and goods.

          People simply don't and the result is that there is bloodshed that is essentially inevitable.  The reality is that we can't prevent it.  That leaves us with a duty, if we want to be helpful, of preferring a score resolving and liberal democracy resulting war rather than a nonresolving war.  The nonresolving war means likely further war- and a lot of additional victims- in a few years' time.

          That is the math on minimizing bloodshed in such conflicts if that is in fact your true metric.

          •  There is nothing stopping Obama from unilaterally (1+ / 0-)
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            doing a humanitarian intervention. By your standards, this means these lives also don't matter to Obama.

            Polls show the majority of Americans, Europeans, British, Turks, Canadians, Chinese, Russians don't support military intervention.

            The way to have minimized bloodshed was to not have enabled it in the first place. Don't you find it ironic that the Sadi's and Qatari's were the first to arm the more Islamic orientated brigades of the opposition in a supposed bid for "democracy"?

            •  The Syrian opposition are not pawns of Sadi's and (0+ / 0-)

              Qatari's. This bloodshed belongs to Assad (and his supporters :-) ) not any foreigners.

              You seem to feel that Syria is a victim of foreign aggression. Are you already ready to defend Assad's use of WMD on that basis? Or will you call it a CIA false-flag? Or will you wait to see what RT says?

              Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

              by Clay Claiborne on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 05:33:08 PM PDT

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              •  The bloodshed belongs to all in Syria who (0+ / 0-)

                have taken up arms (rebels and forces) as well as those from foreign nations that have exacerbated the situation by funding with arms and money.

                You seem to feel that Syria is a victim of foreign aggression. Are you already ready to defend Assad's use of WMD on that basis? Or will you call it a CIA false-flag? Or will you wait to see what RT says?
                You are writing nonsense here.

                I suggest you calm down and read the following which comes from the viewpoint of one the opposition. The situation in Syria is a lot more complex than you make it out to be.

                Islamism and the Syrian Uprising

                Syria's uprising is not a secular one. Most participants are devout Muslims inspired by Islam. By virtue of Syria's demography most of the opposition is Sunni Muslim and often come from conservative areas. The death of the Arab left means religion has assumed a greater role in daily life throughout the Middle East. A minority is secular and another minority is comprised of ideological Islamists. The majority is made of religious-minded people with little ideology, like most Syrians. They are not fighting to defend secularism (nor is the regime) but they are also not fighting to establish a theocracy. But as the conflict grinds on, Islam is playing an increasing role in the uprising.

            •  I don't have a lives-only standard (0+ / 0-)

              and neither does Obama.  Your strained twisting is both wrong and futile.  The rest of your post involves some theory irrelevant to both me and the situation at hand.

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