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  •  except the proxies are (1+ / 0-)
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    Iran/Russia and Saudi Arabia/USA, neither of which are worth any allegiance, unlike the republicans in Spain.

    Ah, to be free of proxies.

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    by Publius2008 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:45:20 AM PDT

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    •  The Republicans were backed by the Soviet Union (4+ / 0-)

      And that fact was exploited by the fascists to undermine political support for their enemies.

      That the Western powers stayed out of the Spanish Civil War resulted in two things:

      1.)  The republicans being entirely coopted by brutal Soviet puppets. Who persecuted all fighters not dancing to Moscow's tune as Trotskyists and closet Fascists.  (Among those run out of the country being some fellow named George Orwell.)

      2.) The republicans losing the war. Thus securing Hitler's Southwest flank for WWII, thousands of Spanish fascist "volunteers" to throw at the Eastern Front, and decades more fascist rule under Franco.

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      by TarantinoDork on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 11:05:12 AM PDT

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    •  The FSA and Syrian protesters aren't tools (2+ / 0-)
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      of proxies. The US has almost nothing to do with events in Syria, ditto SA. Iran has troops on the ground [kuds forces] and Russia is supplying the war planes ,cluster boobs and shells.

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      by Clay Claiborne on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 11:19:48 AM PDT

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      •  I agree that "tools" is a bit strong. (0+ / 0-)

        But the word is that Saudi Arabia and Turkey have been providing significant assistance. To that extent, there is a proxy situation developing.

        Since you are the resident expert here, Clay, it seems that a highly complicating issue may be the role of the kurds. Obviously, the Turks would be quite disturbed were a breakaway Kurdish entity arise from the ashes of an exploding Syria. I wonder if this is part of the apparent Turkish indecisiveness? Syria seems to be a bit of a nightmare for Turkey.

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        by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 11:46:06 AM PDT

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        •  "a proxy situation developing?" (0+ / 0-)

          What the hell does that mean?

          proxy :A person authorized to act for another; an agent or substitute. 2. The authority to act for another. 3. The written authorization to act in place of another.
          So if you give me "significant assistance" does that make me your proxy? Should I consider myself a proxy for everyone that has contributed to my movie making? Or perhaps just those that contribute over $1000.00

          There is no question but that the French gave "significant assistance"  to the American revolution. Did that make us proxies?
           

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          by Clay Claiborne on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 05:42:55 PM PDT

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          •  When someone gets out a dictionary, Clay, (0+ / 0-)

            it's usually not a good sign. Colloquial usage is a little ahead of the dictionary on this one. Proxy in this context means that the local war is also part of a larger struggle, in this case a Sunni-Shia struggle.

            And, yes, to a remarkable extent, the American revolutionaries were proxies of the French and to some extent the Dutch who were very happy to see the English kicked out of North America. In fact, it's arguable that without the French fleet, the Americans might have failed at Yorktown. The appearance of the French fleet cut off the British army from sea-borne provisions. That's something Americans hate to admit usually.

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            by Anne Elk on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:29:28 AM PDT

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      •  I'd love to get some cluster boobs (0+ / 0-)

        and would appreciate a link and price list.  ;-)

        No, a link to RedState or Free Republic is not what I'm looking for.  :-D

    •  But remember that the republicans (0+ / 0-)

      became proxies, or were seen as such, of the USSR.

      The universe may have a meaning and a purpose, but it may just specifically not include you.

      by Anne Elk on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 11:40:47 AM PDT

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