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  •  You say "nukes? Obviously not," (2+ / 0-)
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    but why? Don't you think we could have a lot of responsible nuclear bomb owners. Okay so you may have a few who might abuse the right to own nukes, but that shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us.

    The definition of INSANITY: Voting Republican over and over and over and expecting the economy to get better.

    by pollbuster on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:03:57 PM PDT

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    •  That's just like (4+ / 0-)

      the argument I hear from people who respond to calls to raise the minimum wage by saying, "well, let's just raise the minimum to $100 per hour and we can all be rich!"

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:54:01 PM PDT

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      •  If the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was ... (1+ / 0-)
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        to guard against tyranny by the Government, and the Government is armed with nuclear weapons, it seems that the only way to really effectuate that purpose is to allow the citizenry to be similarly armed.

        Nuclear weapons are certainly "arms," and the 2nd Amendment doesn't talk about simply "guns," it talks about "arms."  Why, if you believe there is a constiutional right to possess assault rifles (which no more existed at the time the 2nd Amendment was adopted than did nuclear weapons), don't the same arguments favoring a constitutional right to possess assault weapons apply with equal force to nuclear weapons?

        Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

        by leevank on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:06:00 PM PDT

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        •  Nuclear weapons (7+ / 0-)

          are not arms. They are ordnance (sic), as are missiles, RPG's, anti-aircraft guns, and land mines.

          Arms are the personal weapons a soldier would bear, such as a military rifle, a sidearm, a big knife, or a sword.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:22:02 PM PDT

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        •  Simple. (3+ / 0-)
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          Robobagpiper, theatre goon, KVoimakas

          My constitutional right to keep and bear arms is circumscribed by an compelling government interest to control the transport and deployment of a narrowly tailored set of ordnance and platforms using the least restrictive means.

        •  The primary purpose of the 2nd was to eliminate (3+ / 0-)
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          KVoimakas, theatre goon, ER Doc

          the need for a standing army, which the Framers knew to be the greatest of threats to liberty. In this, they would have included para-militaries like most urban police forces.

          The purpose was not so much to make it possible to overthrow a tyrannical government (though that was discussed), but to remove from them the principle weapon of the tyrant - the professional soldier, and hence remove the temptation to use it.

          We have been in incrementally increasing peril of proving their fear right every year since 1945 that we've failed to disarm to a proper peace-time core force structure.

          Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

          by Robobagpiper on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:49:59 AM PDT

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