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  •  In Switzerland (5+ / 0-)

    every man of military age has a military spec assault rifle and a supply of ammunition, kept locked in a closet in their home. If availability were a big part, the Swiss should have a regular series of mass murders.

    But they don't.

    Societal factors like poverty, unemployment, substance abuse, mental illness, lack of affordable education or good jobs, and more play a much greater part, as do various cultural factors.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:50:03 PM PDT

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    •  So what is your point? (0+ / 0-)

      Japan has very strict firearms control, and a very low rate of mass murders.

      But we can't say that in these threads, because "Japan is not like the United States. The United States is not Japan."

      Which is true - but by the same token, Switzerland is not like the United States! The United States is not like Switzerland.

      One reading of the chart I linked, is this: because firearms are such a huge proportion of the murders in the U.S., if we could cut the rate of firearms murder by, oh say, half - that might reduce the total number of murders by something like 25-30%.

      Oh, now you're gonna say "they'll just us something else ..."

      NRA can go to he//.

      •  I don't think you'll find anyone arguing that (3+ / 0-)
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        we need to address violent crime.

        What you'll see is the difference in opinion on how to address it.

        Firearm related violent crime is a symptom, not the disease. Fix it by treating the disease:

        jobs
        education
        jobs
        better social safety nets
        jobs
        marijuana legalization
        jobs
        single payer (with mental health care!)
        jobs

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:11:51 AM PDT

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      •  My point should (3+ / 0-)
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        be clear:

        Societal factors like poverty, unemployment, substance abuse, mental illness, lack of affordable education or good jobs, and more play a much greater part, as do various cultural factors.
        Is that unclear?

        Why focus on something that is not going to happen--repeal of a Constitutional amendment requires a 2/3 vote of Congress and the approval of 3/4 of the states. Does anyone really believe that is going to happen?

        Japan has strict firearms control and a yearly suicide rate of 23.8 per 100,000. The US rate is 11.8 per 100,000.

        Common methods of suicide are jumping in front of trains, leaping off high places, hanging, or overdosing on medication.
        Ban tall buildings, trains and rope?  
        A newer method, gaining in popularity partly due to publicity from Internet suicide websites,[2] is to use household products to make the poisonous gas hydrogen sulfide. In 2007, only 29 suicides used this gas, but in a span from January to September 2008, 867 suicides resulted from gas poisoning.
        Facts are facts.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:20:11 AM PDT

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