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  •  We will make no progress whatsoever on this front (2+ / 0-)
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    until we start having a serious discussion about gun worship, gun fetishism, the gun cult, and the manipulation of this group by the NRA and the gun manufacturers.
    We have to have a discussion about power, about power deficiency, and about our definitions of manhood and adulthood.
    If we start having this discussion, then we may find a few reforms that don't impinge on the 2nd amendment, and we may also find our way to a new standard of responsibility so that we don't need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:55:42 PM PDT

    •  While you're at it.... (8+ / 0-)

      don't forget to discuss your need to feel free from being threatened by the millions of women who own / shoot / carry guns for personal protection.

      You ARE aware of the rape and sexual assault statistics, right?

      You ARE aware that each and every female in this country has a more than fifty fifty chance of being on the victim end of some sort of sexual crime in her life, right?

      So, you go ahead and start having the discussion about how you think my definition of manhood is fucked up. I'll be over here taking my sister to the gun range, and building up my handgun collection so that my niece will be able to protect herself against someone that is bigger and stronger then they are, when she gets old enough to treat these guns responsibly.

      Wow, it just clicked for me. The right wing's war on women's liberty that sounds like "we want to protect women from the evil tribulations of the world".... it sounds almost like the gun control crowd in a few ways. Trying to take people and pack them in styrofoam peanuts and padded boxes.

      •  I don't have a problem with anyone who is a (0+ / 0-)

        responsible adult, man or woman, owning a gun and practicing with it.
        However, the very real problem we have in this society is that there is a gun cult, and there is a problem with "power deficient" men fetishizing guns and worshipping guns as a solution to their problems.
        The odds that someone is going to use a gun in self defense are very slim.
        I don't have a problem with people being prepared for that rare event.
        Anyone who knows about this knows that shotguns are the best home defense weapon, require less marksmanship and the pellets don't travel for 2 miles or the walls of several houses, etc.
        However, I don't have a problem with people training with handguns or rifles, or collecting them, or appreciating them as works of fine craftsmanship and technology.

        Meanwhile, the problems of life abound. Very few of which can be solved by gunplay. There is an inordinate value placed on guns as the solution to life's problems.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 05:44:03 AM PDT

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        •  And therein lies the problem. (2+ / 0-)
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          Meanwhile, the problems of life abound. Very few of which can be solved by gunplay. There is an inordinate value placed on guns as the solution to life's problems.
          There is no such value placed on firearms by the vast majority of people.

          I have never seen anyone claim that guns can solve problems beyond some very narrow, specific uses.

          Self-defense, hunting, sport shooting.  Collecting, but that is less about "use," so may not really fit.

          That's really it.

          Yes, you might find some individual here or there that make broader claims than that, but it is not a common assertion -- even by the dreaded NRA.

          You seem to be ascribing to much greater numbers attitudes that are extremely rare.

          Additionally, you seem to want to hold the millions of gun-owners who have never and will never commit any crime with an extremely rare, hypothetical individual:

          However, the very real problem we have in this society is that there is a gun cult, and there is a problem with "power deficient" men fetishizing guns and worshipping guns as a solution to their problems.
          And, in response to another argument that is all-too-common:
          The odds that someone is going to use a gun in self defense are very slim.
          The chances of me being exposed to certain diseases is also very slim -- is that a good argument against immunizations?  Of course not.

          Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

          by theatre goon on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:51:39 AM PDT

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        •  A million DGUs (3+ / 0-)
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          every year...

          The odds that someone is going to use a gun in self defense are very slim.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 07:21:01 AM PDT

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