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  •  Obama For Oxygen! Love it and the takedown (79+ / 0-)

    by The Guardian. Obviously, the "Anglo-Saxon" purity myth is alive and well in certain parts of the U.S. population.
    From the time my children were small, I told them there's no such thing as a person who's pure anything -- we're all mixes of different elements of humanity (with some Neanderthal also in the mix apparently). And the U.S. is a great example with that. If you watch the Olympics opening ceremony, watch each country's delegation go by, when the U.S. delegation appears it looks like it includes a bit of all the other delegations. That's the kind of thing that makes me feel proud to be an American.
    The Romney attempt to create a "gentlemen's agreement" with the Brits is indicative of the campaign's views on what it means to be an American. No person of color nor non-Christian need apply. Ironic since so many religious Christians view Mormons as "other."

    We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

    by Tamar on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 12:56:56 PM PDT

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    •  Hybrid vigor (23+ / 0-)

      When it comes to either biology or culture, hybridizing is a really good thing, a virtue.  It is the constant within American identity - it never comes easy, but the whole history of American society can be seen through this lens of increasing hybridization and increasing incorporation of peoples and influences.  Britain borrows some of that from us, and not vice-versa.  Britain had no choice but to become multi-ethnic and multicultural as a side-effect of running the greatest empire the world has ever known.  But British youth hybridizing with Muddy Waters (think Rolling Stones) and the enthusiastic embrace of difference was something that they got at least in part from North America.  

      I sometimes think Mitt's biggest deficit is that the particular sub-culture that created him, and that he fully embodies, has isolated itself and isolated him from the cultural mix that is America today.  He's an American - nobody would deny that.  He was born here, and Mormonism is the only religion I know that was deliberately manufactured in America in recent historical times, unless you want to call Scientology a religion.  But he represents subcultures - either by virtue of class or religion - and not the whole. It is ironic that he would go after Obama on issues of identity, when Obama's background, history, personal relationships and career could hardly be more American.  I can't wrap my brain around this idea of Obama as a foreigner. Of course I know all this is about race, but seriously... it just doesn't compute.  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:18:16 PM PDT

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      •  erm, no. (0+ / 0-)

        I think I read that Mittens was born in Mexico, to American parents.

        But, NOT born HERE.

        If true, it's a major LOL: He is the unAmerican one.

        To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

        by Youffraita on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:32:11 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, and I want to see his (5+ / 0-)
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        Long-Form Birth Certificate.  In triplicate.  With all kinds of authentication.


        To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

        by Youffraita on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:33:16 PM PDT

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      •  The True-Born Englishman (2+ / 0-)
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        From The True-Born Englishman

        These are the heroes that despise the Dutch,
        And rail at new-come foreigners so much;
        Forgetting that themselves are all derived
        From the most scoundrel race that ever lived;
        A horrid crowd of rambling thieves and drones
        Who ransack'd kingdoms, and dispeopled towns;
        The Pict and painted Briton, treach'rous Scot,
        By hunger, theft, and rapine, hither brought;
        Norwegian pirates, buccaneering Danes,
        Whose red-hair'd offspring everywhere remains;
        Who, join'd with Norman French, compound the breed
        From whence your true-born Englishmen proceed.

        And lest, by length of time, it be pretended,
        The climate may this modern breed have mended;
        Wise Providence, to keep us where we are,
        Mixes us daily with exceeding care;
        We have been Europe's sink, the jakes, where she
        Voids all her offal out-cast progeny;
        From our fifth Henry's time the strolling bands,
        Of banish'd fugitives from neighb'ring lands,
        Have here a certain sanctuary found:
        The eternal refuge of the vagabond,
        Where in but half a common age of time,
        Borrowing new blood and manners from the clime,
        Proudly they learn all mankind to contemn,
        And all their race are true-born Englishmen.

        This satire by Daniel Defoe was written in defense of King William III, a Dutch stadtholder who had invaded England at the behest of English Protestants eager to get rid of King James II.

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 08:08:11 PM PDT

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      •  Hybrid vigor is also the temporary trait (0+ / 0-)

        responsible for the extreme aggression in Africanized Honey Bees, [and the hybrids between Cypriot Honey bees with German Black Bees in the 1800s.

        It's good for preserving a genome, but bad for anyone else that has to put up with the behaviors that revolve around it.

    •  But there are pure strains of humanity! (5+ / 0-)

      It's known as inbreeding.

      •  And we saw what that did to the Habsburgs (4+ / 0-)
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        The Spanish branch bred itself out of existence and was replaced by the more hybrid Bourbons, and the Austrian line went to a cadet (and not quite so inbred) branch a generation later.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 06:31:42 PM PDT

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      •  Not really. The inbreeding fixes certain (0+ / 0-)

        recessive traits and predisposes offspring for certain medical conditions, but it doesn't wipe out previous ancestors who were of other cultures, religions or races.

        Because lets face it, cultural identity isn't just about the color of one's skin.

        You would never know my family for anything other than very white European stock, but I have Asian, possibly some Semitic or Arabic blood in there too-- and that is just what we can identify historically. Just look at the Mitochondrial DNA of the various "races". How many originate in the British Isles?

        Outward appearances can be deceiving.

        Check out the word Phenotype.

    •  Right.. Romney is trying WAY too hard (3+ / 0-)
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      to make himself and his people look like Aw shucks, just reglur folks like the "mongrels" over there, as he calls them. Yet its ok to show deference to the monarch we tried to unseat. This speech is a classic in the Palinesque Word Salad genre. Astounding coming from one of the only two major parties in the Greatest Democracy Money Can Buy... .I mean.. In the World.

      What a deft diplomatic touch he has.

      Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

      by OregonOak on Wed Jul 25, 2012 at 02:35:15 PM PDT

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