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  •  Really if you support (12+ / 0-)

    government blocking Chick-Fil-A because they're objectionable, in political speech and donations....

    You really can't complain when the mayor of a southern town blocks a Ben & Jerry franchise for opening because Ben & Jerry's supports letting gays get married.

    I mean, you could, but you'd be a big hypocrite, imo.

    "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

    by Scott Wooledge on Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 07:26:33 PM PDT

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    •  I admire your self-control; (4+ / 0-)

      your focus on the long game; and your recognition of the universality of rights, even when it isn't easy.

      I wish I had more of all of that.

      •  I'm a fan of systems... (3+ / 0-)
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        introducing into the system a mechanism to push people and companies for political activity makes me very nervous.

        Actually, I think a lot of the LGBT community actually feels that way BECAUSE we've been on the receiving end of that tyranny for a long time. ei: "No liquor licenses for perverts!"

        As George Will said, this isn't coming from the gays so much.

        And thank you.

        "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

        by Scott Wooledge on Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 07:55:44 PM PDT

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    •  I don't see the logical connection there, BUT... (4+ / 0-)
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      let's assume there is for the moment.  THAT ALREADY HAPPENS, albeit in various forms.  

      The state of Mississippi is in the process of closing down the last of the state's abortion clinics.  They're not doing that for non-partisan reasons.  Shit, they are open and aboveboard about it, and even if they lose this one in court, they are still a tremendous success because it's THE ONLY clinic left in Mississippi and they have managed to hassle it nearly to death.

      We need to start fighting back and get rid of this superior-tactics crap.  It has served us very, very poorly.  

      •  I agree we can learn from the right (2+ / 0-)
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        on how to fight, but I stop short of employing tactics that I personally believe violate the Constitution.

        "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

        by Scott Wooledge on Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 07:57:39 PM PDT

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        •  There's already a procedure in place (0+ / 0-)

          to determine what's constitutional or not.  It's called the courts.  They make us sweat it out in courts.  We should do the same to them.  If we lose, that's fine.  But we'll never get there because by this reasoning which you adopt, we never try.  One more case of preemptive surrender.

          •  No. (8+ / 0-)

            It's really not fine.

            If we lose, that's fine
            It delivers a huge vindication to the Christian fundamentalists that they've been unfairly bullied by the gays. And just as they've been saying they are the real martyrs.

            And they probably would win at the Supreme Court, if it even gets there before they win.

            Especially by this Supreme Court, that never met a political donation that was off limits and has been deferential to even Fred Phelps "political speech" of protesting military funerals.

            It's a definite loser. Only fools and morons pick fights they know they'll lose.

            "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

            by Scott Wooledge on Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 08:17:38 PM PDT

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            •  No it harasses them out of viable business. (0+ / 0-)

              That is the message that comes through. I do think that harassing a private business with bad press and boycott is way legit. If they discriminate, that is likely against the law.  In which case, they can be prosecuted or sued.

              •  I am 1000% behind individuals (4+ / 0-)

                and advocacy groups harrassing Chick-Fil-a out of business. This should be self-evident by my posting history.

                I think people elected to positions of power are obliged to exercise their power judiciously and abstain from the temptation to punish people and businesses they disagree with, and just let the free market play out.

                I rather guess Chick-Fil-A's expansion plans may soon be stymied by a reluctance of qualified individuals ponying up to buy a franchise. Who would Wang to step up and plunk their life savings on a faltering brand?

                "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

                by Scott Wooledge on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 07:24:33 AM PDT

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