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  •  Uh, really? (48+ / 0-)

    So the conflict of interest stuff is "swift-boaty"?

    First, get the whole "swiftboat" thing correct:

    Swiftboating refers to the practice of making shit up that never happened and lying about what did happen, aimed at your opponent's biggest strength.

    No one made up the fact that Bain had holdings in companies that Romney threw contracts to, right after stepping in to supposedly clean things up after a conflict of interest scandal.

    No one made up the fact that the money was in place before he got there, that the games relied in great part on government money while he is telling us not to rely on government "handouts".

    John Kerry is a decorated war hero who had his courageous and honorable service attacked and denigrated by a bunch of lying sacks of crap.

    Mitt Romney is a self-serving jackass who protested FOR the Viet Nam war even knowing that as a Mormon he would never have to serve, and owes his only allegiance to making money and promoting himself and making money, and also making money while promoting himself.  The evidence is overwhelming, documented, videotaped, witnessed, sworn to, official - that this man's behavior borders on sociopathy.  Little regard for others, lack of compassion, denying what he did or said five minutes ago despite irrefutable evidence, enriching himself on the backs of working people . . .

    No one has to lie about this guy.  

    If the truth sounds like a "hit piece", then perhaps its because Romney sucks as a human being, let alone as a candidate for president.

    Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

    by delphine on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 07:58:45 AM PDT

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    •  Did Romney play a major role in saving the (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Apparently (26+ / 0-)

        that is a question (note:  question) that is being considered based on evidence and eyewitness testimony.  

        Some people - who were THERE and who were INVOLVED both before and during his tenure - feel he didn't do as much as he claims.

        Questioning his role, looking at what actually happened, is NOT the same as an echo chamber of people who weren't there declaring that Kerry was a lying coward who didn't deserve his medals.

        This question is being considered via evidence and eyewitnesses; Kerry's official military record was called into question and denigrated as lies.  

        No, it is not the same.  If there's smoke, there may be fire.  Romney's record  with the Olympics certainly has some smoke that should be looked into.

        Kerry's military record held no smoke.

        That's the difference.

        Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

        by delphine on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:08:51 AM PDT

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        •  Romney's pants outshine the sun. (6+ / 0-)

          Romney's nose outreaches the heavens.

          Courage is contagious. - Daniel Ellsberg

          by semiot on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:05:09 AM PDT

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        •  the article sort of implies (2+ / 0-)
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          that Romney got a number of corporate sponsorships from firms who had in the past or later in the future negotiated deals with Bain, with the implication that there was a qpq.  The inference that there was profiteering, a kickback, or a quid pro quo, however you want to call it, is an extraordinary claim and needs extraordinary evidence.  More simply, Romney was hired for his rolodex, and the first people he called were business contacts.  He continued to do business with those same business contacts through Bain Capital, which the record pretty conclusively shows he was still CEO of.  

          The case that he exaggerated his record in terms of what he did, the role of government therein, and the degree of difficulty in pulling off a "successful" olympics, stands without some of the more incendiary allegations.  This isn't to say they're not true, but we should be careful about distinguishing smoke from steam.  

          The extra reports of rudeness, though, do add up to a pattern, throwing in the way he treated David Cameron, Ed Milliband, and we learned from mittgetsworse.com, Julie Goodridge.

          Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

          by Loge on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:46:48 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not (3+ / 0-)
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            sure what you read, but you seem to have missed a huge chunk of the diary.  I documented multiple examples of profiteering, some of them involving people who were central to 2002 scandals and who were supposedly not part of ROmney's Olympics.  You completely skipped the part where I documented restrictions that were placed on Romney, and which he seems to have ignored.  As for your other comments about Mattel, I have no idea what Mitt Romney knew about the condition of TLC.  I would be extremely surprised to find that he was on the board and did not know it was saddled with lots of debt.  And if he knew that, which he most likely did, he hid it from Mattel during negotiations.  That was unethical.  There are more important things than making sure you get the most for a company you are selling.  More important, at least for many of us, is personal integrity.

            The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

            by mikepridmore on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:18:01 PM PDT

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            •  i am not questioning the existence of examples, (0+ / 0-)

              but rather the conclusions you drew from them.  Everything you say is within the realm of possibility, but all of those examples also have potential explanations that are not nefarious.  The mattel bit speficially shows this, where the problems were related to product recalls and the debt likely in the form of written-off vendor advances relating to same and about which it's perfectly reasonable for a board member not to know about  three years in advance.  The "dog that didn't bark" is the lack of a major lawsuit settlement.  What I was referring to is the fat that how Mattel chose to pay for the acquisition has no bearing on how we view Romney's personal integrity.  These are the types of nuances that are absolutely essential when you talk about M&A deals, and casual errors in terms of who owes what to whom makes it harder to actually make a case about the problems with a regulatory regime that is so favorable to private equity at the expense of other producers of goods and services.

              To that end, therefore, I did recognize that there is plenty in Mitt's Olympics record that's worthy of criticism -- both in terms of what he really did, and even taking his claims as true, whether they qualify him to be President.  There are separately similar examples of Romney behaving unethically in his business practices and in his own aggressive tax avoidance in his own life and as an audit committee member of Marriott International.  Those cases have stronger support.

              Also, calm down.

              Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

              by Loge on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:29:04 PM PDT

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              •  the more time Romney (1+ / 0-)
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                is playing defense on "M&A" the better, full stop.

                America gets sleepy when Al Gore talks about climate change, imagine what they'll do when Romney is struggling to articulate some technical legal distinction under the heat of the klieg lights....

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                by nota bene on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:19:16 AM PDT

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              •  Calm down? (0+ / 0-)

                One problem Mattel had is that it was saddled with debt from TLC. It seems highly unlikely that Romney did not know of this debt.  Whether he was charged with the crime is not the whole story. There is also the question of integrity.  What makes you think I was not calm when I wrote that, either this time or the last?  

                The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

                by mikepridmore on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:45:51 AM PDT

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                •  Reading between the lines, (0+ / 0-)

                  I imaginene debt was in the form of written off vendor advances due to products they couldn't sell because of a recall.  Did Romney know they advanced loans to vendors to buy the products (if that's what they were doing?). Yes.  Did he know the products would later be recalled?  That's not something an outside director of a diversified company would necessarily know. possible,must you can't infer lack of integrity from being on the board of a company that does experience such recalls. Mattel knew there were risks inherent in buying any businesses.

                  You might have been calm, but you have a very aggressive and accusatory writing style.  It's unnecessary.  None of us here like Mitt Romney.

                  Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                  by Loge on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:40:02 AM PDT

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                  •  debate techniques (0+ / 0-)
                    you have a very aggressive and accusatory writing style.
                    I am merely trying to get at the facts.  If that seems aggressive and accusatory to you, then so be it.

                    You seem to keep imagining some possible universe where Romney would have been unaware that TLC was loaded with debt when Mattel was talked into buying it.  His whole Bain experience shows a pattern of saddling companies with debt, with acquisitions being one source of that debt.  Your hypothetical situations seem highly improbable.  Mine fit within a pattern of behavior by Romney.  

                    And you made one suggestion that I find at least possibly objectionable, namely that Romney had an obligation to get as much for TLC as he could. This was before you started imagining possible ways he would have not really have known about it.  If by that obligation you meant that he was obligated to hide the debt from Mattel (and that was how I read your post) that goes against what I would say are rules for maintaining personal integrity.  And that would make me wonder about the integrity of someone who would suggest as much.

                    The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

                    by mikepridmore on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 12:07:02 PM PDT

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                    •  That is an absurd interpretation (0+ / 0-)

                      of what I said.  He would not be obligated to murder people, for example.  He would not be permitted to hide debt for acquirers or, for that matter, any other present or future shareholder, whose interests he was representing.  You also don't distinguish between a purchase and a sale of a company.  There's a case to be made, but this example by your own explanation has too much innuendo, nd too few facts.  When was this debt taken on?  If when Bain bought TLC, the world was on notice about it.  Nobody takes on debt as part of the sale of a corp., the acquirer is the one who has to finance the merger.

                      Very basic facts about Delaware corp law are not issues of personal integrity.  I have some, Mitt doesn't.  Both of us agree on what happens when Revlon duties apply.

                      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

                      by Loge on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 10:30:00 AM PDT

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                  •  Calm, Well-Reasoned and Very Enlightening Diary (1+ / 0-)
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                    Loge's claim that MikePridmore has an "accusatory" writing style and is not "calm" caught my eye. I did not find any evidence of an accusatory tone, nor did I sense that he was not calm. I found this to be the best-researched and most timely diary on DKos for quite some time and I am very grateful to him for his superb effort. We need to have more pieces like this and I can only hope that campaign leaders pick these themes up and get wide distribution for this data. Bravo!

    •  Willard Wormtongue was for war before against it (7+ / 0-)

      You forgot to mention his miraculous conversion to the anti-war side the moment his Republican mother Lenore decided to run for US Senate in Michigan as a progressive Rockefeller Republican.

    •  You're talking to a shit-stirring troll (2+ / 0-)
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