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  •  A list of California unions? (0+ / 0-)

    What's that?  C'mon, divineorder.  That's proving nothing and the sad part is I think you know that.

    That doesn't disprove that the unions in California aren't doing all they can to improve not only the number but the involvement of private unions in the state.


    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 01:51:16 PM PDT

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    •  It proves that there is a good mix of gov (0+ / 0-)

      and private industry unions.

      Your assertion is totally unsupported except for the anecdote.

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      by divineorder on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 02:12:30 PM PDT

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      •  A good mix? (0+ / 0-)

        Wow, that's a bit limp even if it is linked.

        The evidence you're seeking really would require a thesis or a book to describe the social expectations, understandings of collective bargaining in the various states.

        I grew up in California.  I didn't know anyone who was in a union when I grew up.

        Then I worked for several years in dispute resolution on the East Coast in collective bargaining situations.  I got to know union attorneys through work and socially/academically I got to know staffers at national union headquarters.  I regularly interacted with office-holders in local unions.  My work, itself, included being familiar with contracts created through collective-bargaining and both in school and on my own I began to dig into how the history of dispute resolution and unions came into being.  For a lay-person, I have some level of comprehension about this stuff and an advanced degree.

        I returned to California, still working for the same organization I had worked for back East.  Now, I had some experience with unions, and I saw that the state I returned to was still pretty darned ignorant about what unions do and how they work and why they exist.  I saw employers mis-use a system designed for employees who had union representation in contexts which did not have that representation, and the organization I worked for let them get away with that shit.  That NEVER would have happened on the other coast where union basics are understood because a LOT more people know someone who is in a union and who understands how they work.  As shameful as this is, the organization got used to disadvantage workers for whom we thought we were there to level the playing field.  I spent months fighting how we were perpetuating injustice and I got nowhere.  Then I had a life-threatening event and retired and lost my foothold to fight that battle.

        Link or no link, California has substantially less union activity and understanding than some other parts of the country.  And even the governmental or quasi-governmental unions are substantially less powerful than they are in the East where unionization is part of the fabric of the workforce.  No one link anywhere will convey this information.

        "For what profit a man, if he gain the world, but has to pay taxes on it?" -ontheleftcoast, The Book of Paul

        by MsGrin on Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 07:45:31 AM PDT

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