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  •  Plan for reality (2+ / 0-)
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    divineorder, xaxnar

    Efforts to perpetuate a profligate and energy-intensive lifestyle are not only doomed to failure, they reinforce the very problems that put us here.

    The linked article talks about shale gas as if that's a good thing. And says wind and solar are still too expensive. As if it matters what it costs when the question is shall we have any power at all. And the other alternatives are "cheap" but cook us.

    The great die-off that's easy to foresee is the die-off of business as usual.

    •  True (0+ / 0-)

      Good points - take a look at my response to Adam Siegel above where I respond to some of them.

      The point I'm trying to make with this diary is that like it or not, climate change is going to force us to address the problems it is creating with our current infrastructure. The  denialists can no longer make the case that doing anything about climate change is too expensive because doing nothing is no longer an option - and it's hitting us in places we hadn't been considering. The tab is already running.

           So, IF we have to address what is happening now AND that involves making serious investments, it's all the more reason to make it part of a larger effort to deal with the whole problem.

            We're going to be making changes what ever happens; the only question is how much they are forced upon us and where we're going to end up.

      "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

      by xaxnar on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 04:19:02 PM PDT

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      •  All I'm thinking (0+ / 0-)

        is that it's not entirely possible to plan for unknowns. We do not know how bad it will be. Whatever infrastructure we may retain will need to be extraordinarily resilient.

        It's not possible to armor the entire coast with seawalls high enough to withstand worst case scenarios for sea level rise. So a tactical retreat is in order. Same goes on down the line for roads, rail. This week I read about water mains in Pittsburgh expanding and rupturing in the heat. Rebuilding everything and building it to an extravagant standard is not going to happen. Building to a high standard and then finding out it wasn't adequate is worse than nothing. An extraordinary level of planning will be needed.  I have no idea how such planning might occur.  Jumping in with both feet on the famous "shovel ready" project would be madness.

        Where are we going to end up indeed.

        •  All I can say is, you seem pretty fatalistic (0+ / 0-)

          You seem to have reached the conclusion there's no point in doing anything except sitting back and letting it happen.

          "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

          by xaxnar on Sun Jul 29, 2012 at 09:37:37 AM PDT

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          •  If you think these are ordinary times (0+ / 0-)

            calling for ordinary solutions, then yes, I'll sit that out.

            If you can only see the world of BAU and minor extrapolations of BAU you'll not get a grip on anything but an imagined past.

            •  You sir are a nattering nabob of negativity (0+ / 0-)

              By all means, please do sit this out.

              "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

              by xaxnar on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:28:58 PM PDT

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