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  •  Not sure why you assume 37mm smoothbore. (6+ / 0-)
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    It looks an awful lot like a Penn Arms PGL-65 40mm rifled to me.  Do you have particular reason to believe it's "likely to be" a 37mm smoothbore?

    Certainly this is an open enough question not to be using terms like "stupid" "fact-free hysteria" and "patently false" to describe people calling it a grenade launcher.

    •  One's an NFA destructive device, the other's (4+ / 0-)

      not. The difference in paperwork alone is presumably huge. As alarmed as I am over the paramilitirization of our police forces, I'm not quite so cynical to expect cops to be having the former just quite yet.

      And please don't attribute the slurs to me. I didn't use them. I do share the deep skepticism over the potentially incendiary (see what I did there!) use of the term, when it's probably not justified.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:19:54 AM PDT

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      •  The pepper spray used by all police (4+ / 0-)
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        against OWS and student demonstrators is classified on the company's website as "a militarized version"

      •  The paperwork for a municipality or state (1+ / 0-)
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        is streamlined.

        There was (I'm talking Clinton-era) a prohibition on 40mm in PD hands.

        Post-9-11?  Not so sure.  "Frontline defense in the global war on terrorism" and all that.

        Add the number of cops/state cops/SWAT cops who rotated into and out of Iraq and Afghanistan?

        The "dressed for Fallujah" is second nature.

        So would be the sound of police gunfire should someone's 1969 California car backfire.

        Perhaps Barney Fife is outdated.  I'm not certain Judge Dredd is his best replacement.

    •  Also, fwiw, here's a link to (8+ / 0-)

      an email to/from the Richmond, CA police department providing quotes for police ordnance including, notably, the Penn Arms PGL-65 40mm.  LINK.  The email is dated 1/2/2012.  If accurate this email would indicate that police departments in the U.S. do in fact stockpile the 40mm rifled bore variants of these MGLs.

      Note:  I cannot vouch for this email as legit, but have no reason to believe otherwise.  Take a look for yourself and look at the weapon in the picture above, to my (admittedly untrained) eye it looks like the PGL-65 40mm.

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