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  •  When was the last time the Internet went down? (3+ / 0-)
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    I dont mean your connection to it; I mean, "the internet".

    Paper copies get lost and damaged.   Local consumer-grade hardware will die.  Not "might die"; "WILL DIE".

    Store it in the cloud and you can get to it from your home PC.  If you rinternet connection is down, you can access it via laptop with a wi-fi card, walk down to Starbucks or a public library for internet access, tether your 4g mobile phone, browse to it directly through your phone, download a temp copy to a USB drive (or the HD in your phone or car), etc

    Its the same old argument:

    "This data is too important.  I dont want to store it on a multi-million dollar globally redundant network  designed and maintained by a company who specializes in this industry.... I'd rather copy it to the $79 device I bought at Best Buy plugged into my 2 year old PC with a $4 copper wire.  It makes me feel safer."
    ...odd, that.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 05:35:12 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly what do you think the cloud is? (3+ / 0-)
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      You think those 'cloud farms' are all top of the line equipment?

      They're all different hardware, using whatever equipment the server owners were willing to pay for.  The company I used to work for did buy 'top of the line' equipment for our early customers.  We gave them huge back up power with surge protection.  4 expensive hard drives on their database still died within a year the first year.  Thank gods for RAID and hot swappable drives.  Corruption occurs at times, no matter how expensive the equipment.  My guess is that the equipment being used for those clouds is pretty generic, middle of the road gear in RAID arrays.

      I do keep multiple copies of important data, and even copies offsite in case of fire.  But no proprietary data goes to third parties in whom I have no reason to trust.  Would you 'store' your social security number and birthdate, and other info on 'the cloud'?

      •  They are all differnet; thats the point (2+ / 0-)
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        The virtue of the cloud is its redundancy and its ability to be hardware, browser and connection agnostic.

        Cloud farms do not need top-line eqiupment to store low-performance data.

        99.9999% of the cloud is storing low to mid-use data.  Not some number-crunching algorithmic behemoth cranking away on the SETI project.

        If you are grinding out billions of calculations through your SAS-formula in your Oracle DB, then buy a Compellent SAN.  You wouldn't cloud-source that anyway.  The pipe would be your choke point long before the host's hardware.

        Hard drives die everyday.  Water is also wet.  Thats the whole point of RAID.  No datacenter has had un-RAID'd arrays since 1993.  And RAID is just one level.  The data will most likely be on paralleled SANs, iSCSI or Fiber Channeled.  Most likely wholly virtualized with multiple vSpheres to allow real-time failover between physical hosts.

        But if your 1TB USB drive you got on sale makes you feel better then use it.  

        ....And remember to make multiple copies.  And update them everytime you change the file or create new ones.  

        ........And dont lose track of your versions.  

        ............And if that USB is less then 3.0 realize that it will take a LONG time to recover anywhere CLOSE to 1 TB of data over a 2.0 connnection.

        ................And I hope when you upgrade to a new OS, you dont have connection issues with your old storage device.  Or if you do, you can always keep your old PC up just to access that data.  

        ....................Oh right, you also keep a copy off-site so remember to update or swap out that device too.  Until it dies.  And then replace it very quickly.

        Or use DropBox.  For free.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 05:59:16 AM PDT

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        •  Hint. Most home users don't have a TB of (2+ / 0-)
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          sensitive data.  Not counting compiled code, (since I can just keep source and makefiles), everything important I've got will fit on a 64MB jump drive.  And yes, I use CVS versioning, and linux, so upgrading my OS is never a problem.

          Again, you're confusing Fortune 500 company needs with those of the everyday user, or even the 'small business' owner.

          If one of our clients served more than 5000 customers on any given day, it was a busy day.  

          •  And most home users have source code? (1+ / 0-)
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            1 TB is not that big when home users are piling up high quality music, pictures, videos, gaming files, etc.

            Jump Drives are a convenience not an actual backup solution.

            Seriously, client data, even for a small business, being routinely copied to a small mobile easily-lost device?  We think this is a good idea?  

            Maybe for you personally to manage your own info.  But for a small company?  Some kind of manual "I make several copies" homegrown solution is a disgraceful IT solution that can fail in so many ways when its really needed.

            I consulted in the SMB field for years and saw many things like this.  I always asked the same thing: "At that point, why even bother?"  People think "back up" means just having a copy lying around in case you need it.  For a business this is wholly inadequate.  I've watched small business go OUT OF BUSINESS after a catastrophic data loss.

            I don't care if you are serving 5000 customers a day or 500 or just FIVE.  Data protection is important and it cheaper and safer to store it in cloud then it is to build the RIGHT level of infrastructure in-house.

            Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

            by Wisper on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 06:19:10 AM PDT

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      •  They are redundant. (1+ / 0-)
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        As for the quality of equipment and management, depends on the service provider and you generally get what you pay for.

        This and this are somewhat different.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:35:26 AM PDT

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    •  And, btw, (5+ / 0-)

      if my connection to the net goes down and my data is in 'the cloud', it doesn't matter to me if 'the internet' has gone down or not - I can't reach my data.  We sold systems to movie theatres, some of whom had crappy net connections.  Because the databases were local to the theatre, they could sell tickets as long as there was power to the theatre.  They lost ability to sell tickets online whenever their ISP crapped out, but the box offices stayed up.

    •  It's not that it's that important (0+ / 0-)

      it's that I want it when I want it, where I want it, without a download time.

      I actually happily back up my most important data to the cloud. It's great for backups. And I use online repositories, and I email a bunch of stuff to myself. That's all well and good.

      But I want most of my stuff - especially programs, but also video files, ebooks, and other stuff - right here on my local machine where nobody can take it away from me. I don't want to switch to a 'cloud-based service' to replace my personal copy of Photoshop or Maple. I don't want to keep my movie library in the cloud. And I definitely don't want games to migrate to a cloud-based design, with all the extra latency inherent in it.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Mon Jul 30, 2012 at 09:40:59 AM PDT

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