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  •  Red yeast ice works much better for me. (5+ / 0-)

    I think it's more effective than Niacin and, as a naturally occurring and balanced statin, rarely has any of the negative side effects of the pharmaceutical statins.

    Niacin didn't do much for my LDL and I hard a hard time getting past the flushing.  Red yeast rice dropped by LDL by almost 18% without a single side effect.  

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    by JCPOK on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:34:47 PM PDT

    •  Sorry - "red yeast rice" (2+ / 0-)
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      by JCPOK on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:35:42 PM PDT

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    •  Red Yeast rice contains several statins - and (1+ / 0-)
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      Red Yeast Rice sold OTC in the US must now have the statins removed.

      It's a public health issue of marketing an unapproved drug if the Red Yeast Rice still has statins in it.

      As far as I know you can still grow your own, it's basically rice fermented with red yeast.

      •  not true (5+ / 0-)

        it is sold and does contain natural statins, They were not required to remove the natural statin ( used in Mevacor but Merck shouldnot have been allowed to patent a natural ingrediet ). Most red yeast rice still has the effective ingredient. any sold by a respectable pharmacy should be ok. RRY was ruled a food by the courts, so there is no restriction on it being sold. I used it, my doctor takes it, it works. it does become less effective over time for some people ( it took my cholesterol from 280 down to 180, now its about 221 with a good ratio) and anyway, there are plenty of doctors, including my own, who think the whole cholesterol thing is way overblown, when you look at the studies many of them are not so conclusive, or were conducted by drug companies themselves. Finally, no one can explain why people on these meds have a higher mortality rate, but there is some theory that the statins so knacker you brain you have more accidents. the statins in RRY are way lower than the drug Mevacor which uses the same ingredient. There actually is no debate about the efficacy of RRY in the medical community; the debate is that you don't know for sure if you are getting the good stuff or not, because it is classed a food and not a drug. A generic mevacor might be better for some people; but the side effects of statins are not to be taken lightly, and more is coming out about them everday. And there is no evidence they extend lives, especially in women.

        •  Thanks, link? Vendor? How recent is your (1+ / 0-)
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          info?  Mine is from my doctor, and teh google, in the past year.

          Agree that the statin marketplace has made a lot of money off of captive patients.

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          •  I have discussed this with my doc extensively (2+ / 0-)
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            there are charlatans out there who make RRY and don't put the statins in; that's the problem, you don't know what you're getting. With the drugs, you know whats in it. BUt Solgar and other compnaies make a good product; i buy a brand from my odc that he uses as well, but frankly I am not getting the success I want; my cholesterol is down to 221, from 280, but ti used to be down to 180. I tried Crestor and it caused serious neurological issues; i told my cardiologist I never heard of these side effects from statins, and he said it doesn'tmatter, no one knew about the cognitive effects for years either until they started asking patients about it. Now the4y are looking at blood sugar issues.

    •  Not so fast. (1+ / 0-)
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      Red yeast rice is basically another form of statin, I believe.  Advice is to take it for only short periods of time.


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      by IndieGuy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:28:33 PM PDT

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      •  it does indeed have small anount of statins (2+ / 0-)
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        the same as foundin Mevacor ( that was the big court issue, which Merck lost )It isbeleived RRY has other properties that lower cholesterol too. Caveat; if you have super high cholesterol, over 3 or 4 hundred, the only way to bring that down is with the big guns like lipitor. RRY is fine for people with mildly elevated cholesterol. The danger is in the impurities which migh be present especially in imports. Stick to major US made brands.

    •  The notion that an"naturally occurring" (11+ / 0-)

      form of a drug has no harmful side effects just because it's "natural" has no scientific basis. It does, however, help sell billions of dollars worth of "natural" remedies every year.

      Plenty of "natural" drugs have serious and well-known side effects. Cocaine, nicotine and opium are examples.

      I'm not disputing your statement that red yeast rice produced nonside effects while lowering cholestorol--only the attribution to its naturalness.  More likely, it has lower amounts of statins that are adequate to lower your LDL but not high enough to cause side effects.

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      by Simian on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 04:59:59 PM PDT

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      •  it is beleived RRY would have the same side effect (2+ / 0-)
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        as statins in sensitive people, it's just that the natural statins are way lower and people in China have been eating the stuff as food for centuries. Shittake mushrooms have the same effects I'm told, with similar statin-like properties, but I can't confirm this.

      •  Beautifully written comment (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Cocain and Opium are controlled substances (2+ / 0-)
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        Freakinout daily, Ginny in CO

        and are not found in health food stores--at least not reputable ones.

        Anything you ingest, inhale, inject or rub on your skin come with caveats.

        Want to lower your bad cholesterol? Eat more fiber. Pectin, various green food supplements, oat meal, etc., are good places to start. Eating whole fruits and some nuts are also a good place to start. You get more fiber from them that way.

        There are a number of OTC, natural remedies that can be employed to mitigate or alleviate more than a few conditions. And they work slower, because they are weaker than their patented, synthesized, super-concentrated counterparts.  They are usually gentler on the system and often give us more than one benefit nutritionally speaking.

        You do need to do your research though. Extensive reading in more than one book or website. If you are taking other drugs, it would be good to check for counterindications. And remember you can be allergic to anything.

        It is also important to ensure you buy a reputable brand. Don't go for the cheapest, because you could be getting a significantly inferior product or even something that is labeled fraudulently [just like what happens in the drug world].

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