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  •  that was several years ago (5+ / 0-)

    i lost 40 pounds, switched to a mostly veggies and brown rice diet, my cholesterol is great now

    fact does not require fiction for balance (proudly a DFH)

    by mollyd on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:42:46 PM PDT

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    •  I had high cholesterol (4+ / 0-)

      near 300 when iwas in my 20's and running 7 miles a day. today, a prediabetic and 50 pounds overweight, my cholesterol is 220, with a good HDL/LDL ratio. now some docs say the ratio is useless too. can't win. anyway, diet and exercise are not factors for me. by the way oatmeal, if you eat a couple bushels a day, can lower your cholesterol a point or two, as can metamucil....

      •  Really ticks me off that (2+ / 0-)
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        the cholesterols and triglycerides are still used as stand alone cardiac risk factor tests. C reactive protein was a far better predictor 10 years ago. Now the important tests include ApoE, LPP, homocysteine, insulin, Omega 3 Index, and MTHFR testing. They give much more information about many different factors that predict cardiovascular risk. There are probably at least 3 in there you haven't heard of.

        Inflammation is the essential trigger, what the source of the inflammation is becomes the critical basis for treatment. Stress creates inflammation so management does make a difference. This is the source of the belly fat distribution. Exercise will provide some, it is generally not enough, especially if the person has a higher than normal stress level or it is a problem for the individual (anxiety issues, disorder). It does help produce nitric oxide (NO) which is very important to maintain smooth, elastic blood vessel walls.

        Allergies, especially gluten or any that produce lectins, are also a very significant contribution to the inflammatory basis of c-v disease. The whole food, plant based diet with minimal processing and additives is generally the most successful. There is some indication that the grains may be the primary source of lectin production because our bodies were not designed to utilize them. Different areas of the world have seen enough genetic change that those people can eat some grains without problems. So an individual may be able to eat rice but not wheat.

        Corn is the biggest culprit in our diets. Some are as high as 80% because of all the additives that also have traces of corn products in them. Read the entire ingredient label.

        I am really glad to see this diary and comments from others who have had statin myopathy are now increasing enough this might get onto the radar.

        The other overlooked supplement for c-v disease is magnesium for high blood pressure. It is one of the relaxation phase ions of muscle contraction and no less than the head of the AHA about a decade ago said physicians with new HTN diagnosis patients should start with it before going to a drug. The docs listen to the drug companies.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:52:00 PM PDT

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        •  acutally my doc has been pushing magnesium (0+ / 0-)

          maybe i should listen.  my wife is a ladi off biotech researcher, and yes inflammation is the current focus.

          •  Magnesium is useful, but should not be taken by (0+ / 0-)

            those who have kidney disease.

            I dislike your doctor bashing.  If a person has elevated LP(a),
            or if they have low HDL, there is not a lot that is very effective in changing these values very much. These are genetic disorders.

            A differentiation between those with abnormal lab values and those who actually have cardiovascular disease should be made.  Also the Family history should be considered.  

            Generalized advice for all is not good, except for advice like lose weight if obese and exercise and quit smoking.

            Cholesterol plaque formation is a response to injury, and the plaques are more dangerous if inflamed.  For example, high blood pressure causes injury at branch points of vessels because of the extra stress on the vessel wall there.  

        •  "the docs listen to the drug companies" (0+ / 0-)

          bingo #2!


          "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

          by Sybil Liberty on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 08:12:40 AM PDT

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          •  Watch for studies funded by drug companies. (0+ / 0-)

            Studies funded by the NIH are better, but then we must be willing to fund governmental agencies and research universities.  There are regional lipid research centers.

            Doctors are audited by Medicare and insurance companies for compliance with recommendations for lipid lowering drugs and achieving targets for both cholesterol and blood sugar.  It is more complicated than blaming doctors  or big pharma.

            United Healthcare pays doctors according to whether they give quality care and audit whether statins are used, as an example of better quality care.  

            As indicated by responses to this diary, the patient's decision about whether to follow advice is of course, a big factor.  Why should the doctor be responsible for what people decide to do?

            •  My doctor wanted to prescribe lipitor (0+ / 0-)

              I refused without first making an attempt to change my diet & lifestyle. He gave me 90 days '& then we'll talk about it.' I proved myself - it was a wake-up call. I brought my cholesterol down by 50 points. He was delighted, saying, "most folks your age don't want to even think about what they're eating. Continue with your lifestyle changes." It's been two years now and my cholesterol is down 150 points from that initial test. I know I'm only a single case, but is it any wonder Medicare is going bust and BIGPHARMA is raking in huge profits?

              Not to be judgmental but it is something I wonder about...many of my "contemporaries" seemingly spend their days 'overmedicated' perhaps?

              [primarily brown rice & veggies --> cheddar & ice cream only on 'celebratory' occasions]

              Why should the doctor be responsible for what people decide to do?
              Thank you, my point precisely.

              "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

              by Sybil Liberty on Wed Aug 01, 2012 at 09:15:30 AM PDT

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            •  why should teachers be responsible (0+ / 0-)

              for the failures of their students? Not arguing with you, but see what teachers gotta put up with?

    •  I can't tell you how... (8+ / 0-)

      ...much better I've felt since I stopped taking Lipitor (against the wishes of my PCP) and "upgraded" my diet.

    •  bingo! (3+ / 0-)
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      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:34:56 PM PDT

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