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  •  Actually..... (1+ / 0-)
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    CanyonWren

    He cant because he is "just" a political candidate.  If he has no standing for any official visit - "former Governor" doesn't cut it.  Any visit would have to be completely private and that means no uniforms and nothing during "duty hours."  Essentially, nights and weekends in civies only.

    Compare that to going as a sitting Senator or Governor.  Sarah Palin got to go to Afghanistan because members of the Alaska Guard were deployed there.  US Senators and Congressmen can go where ever they want and meet in an official capacity.

    By dumb luck, the Rethugs have given away a HUGE advantage and one of their favorite stage props.

    Just an FYI - DoD personnel have been reminded MANY times that they cannot meet with Former Governor Romney in uniform.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:11:14 AM PDT

    •  Defense Dept officials will have a hard time (1+ / 0-)
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      explaining this then. I can't speak for all the regs today, but as a 20-year Public Affairs rep, civilians are allowed on bases all the time. Just because they're running for office doesn't mean that access is revoked. There are rules and regs that limit what they can and cannot say and the level of leadership responsiveness varies.

      So, yes, he would be allowed to visit with troops; his political speech would be greatly limited and a PA handler would let his staff know if he stepped over any lines.

      •  Not "official" (0+ / 0-)

        "Past and likely future Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney arrived Sunday in Afghanistan on a weeklong trip to the frontlines of the U.S. war zone and to the Middle East."

        Making a guess that this was before he officially declared as a candidate.  He was, in theory, just an American business man and likely traveled on a business visa (would be interesting to find out if he did).  

        Now that he is an "official" candidate, DoD regs and the Hatch Act prevent almost all contact.

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:37:26 AM PDT

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      •  No more open posts (1+ / 0-)
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        This actually started before 9/11 but was greatly accelerated after.  We (DoD) have locked down 99% of all the military installations and 100% of everything overseas.  

        Getting non-military/DoD personnel on post is highly involved now.

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:52:25 AM PDT

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        •  AHH! There it is (0+ / 0-)

          Told you, I'm sorta old and know things can change. That's why I didn't get all preachy, just in case.

          Even though I live in a very military city, I haven't been on any of the bases in over a decade. (I have been to the Center for the Intrepid several times, but it's not actually on the base.) You "learned" me something, thanks.

          •  Sad actually (0+ / 0-)

            All military posts are public property - literally owned by the people.  Many posts have two sets of gates - an open one at the edge of the actual "Military Reservation" and a secondary area actually fenced off.  It serves two purposes - standoff and leaving parts that should be public space accessible.  

            In some cases this has caused considerable consternation for the public.  Two places I have been - Fort Belvoir and the Presidio of Monterey had significant civilian thru traffic that had to be rerouted.  In the case of Presidio of Monterey, closing the post effectively cut half of the access to parts of Pacific Grove.  At the same time POM has been a leader in bringing the public back on post by creating some dual use areas.

            Side note - When I was at DLI in Monterey Senator Boxer paid a visit along with Congressman Sam Farr.  Despite our lengthy and repeated warnings to Senator Boxer to not "campaign" she still managed to say some things about Congressman Farr that crossed the lines.  Since she was not up for election that cycle she did not technically break any FEC rules so she kinda gave us a "So sue me" look.  No one really made too big a deal because Congressman Farr was a lock for reelection.  

            It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

            by ksuwildkat on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 01:05:35 PM PDT

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