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  •  You changing your tune? (8+ / 0-)

    "The rebels’ conduct has prompted at least some Sunnis who had supported the rebels and once-wavering Syrians to pledge renewed loyalty to Assad. Many who once regarded the regime as a kleptocracy now view it as the best guarantor of Syria’s endangered pluralism.

    A Sunni shopkeeper in the impoverished suburb of Set Zaynab, which was partly destroyed in the clashes last week, no longer supports the rebellion. “I wanted Assad to go because he is corrupt,” he said. “But what happened here, what they did, it scared me. It made me angry. I cannot support the murder of my neighbors in the name of change. You cannot bring democracy by killing innocent people or by burning the shrines of Shiites. Syrians don’t do that. This is the work of the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia,” he added, referring to the ultra conservative Sunni sect."

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 09:43:02 AM PDT

    •  no (4+ / 0-)
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      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 11:45:47 AM PDT

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    •  The rebels are apparently using (4+ / 0-)

      the civilian population as human shields.   They went and occupied densely populated areas to protect themselves.   They dont seem to care about the lives of civilians.

      •  I think my grandfather might of done that too. (1+ / 0-)
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        It was a different age then and they lived in the south. When the KKK would come around to harass his family or community, I'm sure he would have armed himself and defended his family. I know I would.

        But from a different perspective, that would have made him an armed combatant using civilians as human shields.

        The whole in your current defense of the Assad regime is that he was already shooting at civilians before anything was being done in their defense. Even now his regime continues shell and bomb communities with no FSA presence. They are being attacked because they oppose his rule, not because they fight back.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 06:29:21 PM PDT

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        •  The vast majority of the rebels that moved into (0+ / 0-)

          Allepo were not from the city. It appears that some of these rebels attempted to burn a Shia shrine.

          From your NY Times link:
          http://www.nytimes.com/...

           A Sunni shopkeeper in the impoverished suburb of Set Zaynab, which was partly destroyed in the clashes last week, no longer supports the rebellion. “I wanted Assad to go because he is corrupt,” he said. “But what happened here, what they did, it scared me. It made me angry. I cannot support the murder of my neighbors in the name of change. You cannot bring democracy by killing innocent people or by burning the shrines of Shiites. Syrians don’t do that. This is the work of the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia,” he added, referring to the ultra conservative Sunni sect.

          Repeated attempts by Free Syrian Army fighters to destroy a shrine to Sayyida Zeinab, the granddaughter of the Prophet Muhammad revered by Shiites, have not yet caused the area’s Sunni minority to flee — many Shiites here have refused to blame their Sunni neighbors for the rebels’ crimes.
           Over the past week, more than a dozen Syrians — chiefly Alawi and Christian, but also a handful of Sunnis — affirmed to me their determination to pick up arms to defend Assad.

          The seeming indifference of the international community to the worsening condition of Syria’s religious minorities — and the near total absence of censure of the opposition forces by the Western governments arrayed against Assad — is breeding a bitter anti-Americanism among many secular Syrians who see the United States aligning itself with Saudi Arabia, the fount of Wahhabism, against the Arab world’s most resolutely secular state.

      •  The FSA has gone into areas that welcome them. (0+ / 0-)

        Here's report from the ground:

        What the rebels have done is they have moved into two areas of the city - the southwest and northeast - which are largely Sunni poor neighbours where they have been welcomed with open arms. But there are other districts of Aleppo where the Free Syrian Army has not gone. They have not gone into northern Aleppo, which is Kurdish, and they have not gone into the centre of the city - although they are going in and out of the centre of the city, where the community is mixed - and I would imagine they are not going into the Christian areas because although many Christians are discretely supportive of political change in Syria, they have certainly not in any shape or form allied themselves with the uprising...

        They (the regime), of course, have no qualms about communal punishment. As far as they are concerned, where the opposition fighters are is where they're being hosted by communities, and therefore they're all equally culpable, and therefore they're all targets. So you're seeing massive bombardments of civilian regions for the simple reason that the Free Syrian Army has based itself there. Therefore, in the eyes of the regime, they're all complicit.

        So, no.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 11:23:53 AM PDT

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    •  What of Pepe Escobar here (3+ / 0-)

      http://www.atimes.com/...

      I find him most often to be quite on point.
      byrnt

      •  Escobar is a Russian hack and known liar (2+ / 0-)
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        Cynical Copper, joe from Lowell

        He is pushing the Assad-Putin line that the Syrian people's uprising is all a CIA-Israeli conspiracy against the good and noble Assad.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Sat Aug 04, 2012 at 06:33:12 PM PDT

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        •  That's nonsense. Escobar has reported on the (1+ / 0-)
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          CIA and Israeli involvement just as has been recently confirmed by the US government. These agencies have a very long and sordid history of clandestine operations in the ME.

          He blames the uprising on meddling by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

          Here's Escobar's report on Putin after the election.

          •  LOL, way to prove he's not towing the Russ. line! (0+ / 0-)

            I see, so what you're saying is, it's totally unfair to say he's a mouthpiece for the Russian government, because he's totally gone after the CIA for working against a Russian client state.

            Wow.  I guess you got Clay there.  No Russian hack would ever do that.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 11:26:03 AM PDT

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            •  I didn't say that. What I said was that this (0+ / 0-)
              He is pushing the Assad-Putin line that the Syrian people's uprising is all a CIA-Israeli conspiracy
              is nonsense.

              I just included that report to show that the US has no control over Russia or the other BRICS despite the propaganda. It is gradually losing it's position in the world.

              You do know that there are increasing currency swaps between these countries which allows trade w/o the $US. They are also selling oil of the Petrodollar more and more.

              While the US has been filling coffins, China and Russia have been filling coffers.

              Some of you here should vote for Mitt if that's how you feel about Russia.

      •  very Cold War p.o.v. (0+ / 0-)

        About 30-50 years behind the times.

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