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  •  Forget about Romney and his tax (0+ / 0-)

    forms we need to be talking about jobs and the economy.

    •  Who's "we?" (10+ / 0-)

      You referring to trolls?

      Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

      by deben on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:19:15 PM PDT

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    •  I agree. Personally I could care less. What is (1+ / 0-)
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      Mittens going to do to get lower and middle class America back to work.  Nothing.

      What is Mittens going to do to get teachers and policemen back to work?  Nothing.

      What is Mittens going to do to get people medical insurance?  Nothing.

      I could care less how much money he has made, will make or has in any of his 100 bank accounts.  I could care less if he paid taxes and how people try to pay as little as possible.  Whatever.

      I want to know how or what he is going to do about anything that that is important to this nation and the answer is nothing.

      •  you realize, of course, that all the broughaha (3+ / 0-)
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        about the Romney taxes paid, or lack thereof, is about showing that he personally has a stake in mouthing GOP 'Lower Taxes' and 'Jobs creators' memes, and conflating them every chance he gets.

        Showing a doubting thomas Electorate (for good reason, albeit) that the GOP is running a guy who wants to INCREASE the money in his own pocket at the expense of the declining Middle-Class, mostly...

        via graphs showing declines in Middle Class and Working Class incomes as 2% and 1% Classes increased their incomes significantly.

        Proof that Romney does and will continue to benefit from these policies is paramount to capture the vote of the vast Undecideds as the campaign wages on this summer and into the fall. You only vote against someone who is trying to stiff you personally. To vote for someone, it takes more, like what candidate Obama brought in 2008 - a significantly different choice and a vision of the future.

        This time around, the President has many things to show he is working for The People:
        ending the Wars; supporting Middle/Lower class tax cuts; publicly stating he will VETO any attempt to continue the Bush Era tax cuts; supporting Elizabeth Warren's guidance on the creation of the CFPB (Consumer Finance Protection Bureau).

        But there are also many things to show he favors the status quo:
        unnecessarily long-drawn-out process to end DADT; failure to champion encourage a US Senate end to Senate Rule #22 known commonly as 'the filibuster' to end the current Era of Obstructionism in the US Congress; increased use of Drones both abroad and at home.

        So he has to use the "vote against that guy" method this time around, otherwise, Romney still has the ability to win the election in November - this race is not done yet, and anyone who thinks that things are over hasn't seen enough political Conventions, in my opinion. Nothing is ever sure in politics, and presidential races always, always are decided in the very last couple of days. Because THAT IS WHEN most of the American voters wake up from their four year coma and vote. Seriously, it's that bad out there.

        People like us here on Daily Kos, and across the political internet spectrum, we're all junkies. We can't help but be obsessed by daily doses of political news, even when it's not news.

        But the vast majority of the voters? They don't care. I know. I've spent 25 years railing to everyone I know about why they should care, and for the most part, I fail. But I keep trying anyway, because even if they are ignorant of the consequences of the failure to remain "vigilant" in protecting our democratic Republic, I am not.

        So, every four years, I encourage and cajole and berate, if I must, to ensure that everyone that I know, personally, votes.

        As if their lives depend upon it (which I tell them, endlessly, and they never believe).

        Because they really, actually, do sometimes.

        For instance, if Al Gore had assumed office in January of 2001, who among us believes that the Iraq Invasion on March 17, 2003 would still have happened?

        No Invasion, no War. The dead (over 6,000 US servicemen and women; Iraqi and Afghan are still 'undetermined' and referred to as from tens of thousands to ?), the displaced (millions in Iraq alone), the injured (US Armed Forces over 50,000; civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan in the hundreds of thousands by all reputable international news sources).

        Just image the world without those statistics, think of the world-wide unrest brought on by the past decade of 'American Empire at War with the world' US policies and how they are shaping the future for all of us...

        So, yeah, perhaps the Democratic Party's insistence on continuing to harp on the lack of publicly released Tax Returns by candidate Willard Mitt Romney seems a bit petty.

        But it is not.

        It is a stone in a wall of hurt that the President and OFA hopefully will continue to build.

        Stone by stone.

        Until enough of the Voters understand who and what  candidate Mitt Romney is, and what agendas he would pursue as President of the United States.

        Enough so that enough of them will say, as I do, every damned day anymore >>>

        Vote Democratic 2012
        Re-elect President Barack Obama

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        I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization
        -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr.
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        "A Better World is Possible"
        -- #Occupy

        by Angie in WA State on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 02:35:01 PM PDT

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        •  Brava! (2+ / 0-)
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          Well argued point. I hope you are actively stumping for OFA in public.

          •  of course I am (0+ / 0-)

            what else is a political junkie with Flaming Liberal tendencies to do?

            I regularly start up conversations with complete strangers in line at the grocery store, hinting at my political leanings. If I get even a hint of 'you are right' during those first few moments, then I try and inform the person of something they might not know (and should).

            It's quite satisfying, to be honest.

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            I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization
            -- SCOTUS Justice O.W. Holmes Jr.
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            "A Better World is Possible"
            -- #Occupy

            by Angie in WA State on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 08:12:29 PM PDT

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    •  we do. All the time. (4+ / 0-)
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      Just today there was a post about nissan and it's anti union ways of hiring temps to do permanent worker's jobs just to avoid paying fair wages and benefits.  There's been a lot of discussion about rMoneyhood and his tax plan to rob from the poor and middle class to give his robber baron buddies a tax break.  There are always posts about how the publican HR talks about jobs while doing nothing about it apart from trying to control women's bodies.  All this happens all the time.

      Harry Badger and mitten's tax forms are an amusing way of defining the wannabe liar in chief, willard mitten rMoney before he gets a chance to lie about himself some more.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:30:23 PM PDT

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    •  It's off topic but I'll bite... (4+ / 0-)
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      I agree that the Boehner Economy could be better. Why do you think that the House won't pass Obama's Jobs Bill? Seems to me they could spend a bit more time (meaning any) on jobs rather than Too Fast and Too Furious witch hunts and Bills preventing women from controlling their bodies. Maybe things would be a far site better if the Senate minority could get past their filibuster addiction and solitary goal of a one-term Obama presidency because their goal tangentially hampers our recovery. You can't honestly blame Obama for an Economy that has been intentionally stalled by Republicans who deny implementing the President's agenda and push an austerity agenda at a time when the many examples in history say we should be spending right now on public works that would lower unemployment, fix our sagging infrastructure and aid the Economy.

    •  No "we" don't. We need to be talking anything that (3+ / 0-)
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      hurts Mittens. And his taxes and the Bain pain Willard caused are hurting him.

      Why would "we " let an opponent off the hook and fight fight on his turf?

    •  looked at comment history. (1+ / 0-)
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      Troll.  And idiot (would like to see the President's college records).  Maybe they're the same thing in the long run.  

      Life is good. Injustice? Not so much.

      by westyny on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 01:49:49 PM PDT

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    •  We HAVE been talking jobs and the economy (1+ / 0-)
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      Just not in the way the Romney campaign would like to talk about jobs and the economy. Or were you referring to something else?

      Brevity may be the soul of wit, but it's an open invitation to misinterpretation on-line. Feel free to indulge a few more electrons next time and say what you mean. Otherwise, it just looks like trolling. You know?

    •  you don't think the two .... (3+ / 0-)
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      aren't the slightest little eensie-weensie bit connected, given that vulture capitalism, outsourcing, and hidden assets are some of the reasons we have a lousy economy and job market?

      Think again.

      "Mitt Romney has more positions than the Kama Sutra." -- me "Social justice is love, made public." -- Cornel West

      by billlaurelMD on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 03:49:35 PM PDT

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