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  •  If a company weren't entitled to free speech, (2+ / 0-)
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    then newspapers - which are corporate entities - wouldn't have first amendment protection.

    •  Newspapers (2+ / 0-)
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      Have enumerated protection in the constitution.  There is a reason for this.  it's because corporations in general do not have rights over and above humans.  Did you even read this article?  Or do you think Jefferson is anti America?  

      ‎"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." --Frederick Douglass

      by Nada Lemming on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:16:13 AM PDT

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      •  No, they don't. (1+ / 0-)
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        "freedom of the press" is the freedom to write, to publish.  There weren't corporate publishers when the constitution was drafted.  

        Did you even read this article?
        •  The New York Post was started by Alexander Hamilto (1+ / 0-)
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          The New York Post, established on November 16, 1801 as the New-York Evening Post, describes itself as the nation's oldest continuously published daily newspaper.(The only known original copy of the New York Evening Post 11/16/1801-owned by Dominick Speziale-Hewlett NY) The Hartford Courant, believed to be the oldest continuously published newspaper, was founded in 1764 as a semi-weekly paper; it did not begin publishing daily until 1836. The New Hampshire Gazette, which has trademarked its claim of being The Nation's Oldest Newspaper, was founded in 1756, also as a weekly. Moreover, since the 1890s it has been published only for weekends.

          The Post was founded by Alexander Hamilton with about US$10,000 from a group of investors in the autumn of 1801 as the New-York Evening Post,[4] a broadsheet. Hamilton's co-investors included other New York members of the Federalist Party, such as Robert Troup and Oliver Wolcott,[5] who were dismayed by the election of Thomas Jefferson as U.S. President and the rise in popularity of the Democratic-Republican Party.[6] The meeting at which Hamilton first recruited investors for the new paper took place in then-country weekend villa that is now Gracie Mansion.[7] Hamilton chose William Coleman as his first editor.[6]

          Murdock now owns and runs the same paper. So much for your knowledge about newspapers and freedom of the press even if the corporate structure has changed, but it's changed from the golden Keynesian age and partnerships to today where the CEO loots the company and buys Democracy or what you call "a good thing."

          There. No one take him seriously anymore.

          ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

          by priceman on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 12:30:00 PM PDT

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          •  You're misreading. (0+ / 0-)
            even if the corporate structure has changed,
            That's the point.  Freedom of the press is a right.  If you had your druthers, corporations would not have the right to the press.  Ergo, companies like the NY Times or the WaPo would not have a right to the press and could be told by Congress what op-eds to publish.

            Here's the syllogism:
            - If rights are restricted to natural persons, corps don't have rights.
            - Freedom of the press is a right
            - WaPo is a corp

            Conclusion: the Wapo wouldn't have the right to the press if rights were restricted to natural persons.

            Very simple syllogism.  

            •  That's not you apologizing for not knowing this (0+ / 0-)

              You're playing semantic games with the word corporate publishers. If you want to tie the word corporate to any incorporation of people than by definition, corporate publishers did exist back then before 1886 like the New York Post did but without 1st amendment rights because entities can't have them because they only exist by the people that make them up and allow them to exist.

              Notice Alexander Hamilton had investors too. Rights are and were restricted to natural persons back then, but they still incorporated for a limited purpose derived from the people who partnered up having the right to a free press.

              Absolutely wrong. The Wapo could have been run back then in the historical time the New York Post was run.

              Nice try, though, but the historical record proves you wrong.

              ‎A) "Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." - George Carlin B) "The administration should be worried about the level of despair here." ~Markos Moulitsas at NN12

              by priceman on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 07:58:10 PM PDT

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