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  •  Makes sense, except (5+ / 0-)

    we're now reading that Coptic was offered a buyout, thay his wife had health insurance through her employer, and that she wasn't diagnosed until about 5 years after he was let go. If any of that is incorrect, I'd very much like to know.

    •  I don't know (10+ / 0-)

      that any of that really matters.

      I lost my job almost two years ago and am still screwed blue financially and have no healthcare.  They could still be in deep kimchee five years later.

      •  How old was Soptic when he got Romney'd? (6+ / 0-)

        (Getting Romney'd is like getting fucked. With a rusty chainsaw. Sideways) If he was over 50 then he had little or no chance of getting a job with benefits like he had at the mill. And when my wife worked her health plan was nowhere near as good as mine. Just because Mr. Soptic's wife had a health plan didn't mean it was worth a hill of beans. The facts are Romney and Bain came in, gutted and shut down the mill. It made life worse, a lot worse, for the workers. End of story.

        Romney's religion is only an issue because he's a high priest in the Church of Mammon.

        by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:37:53 AM PDT

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        •  I was hoping (2+ / 0-)
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          for an answer about the facts apparently at issue. Any sources?

          •  He lost his job (1+ / 0-)
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            that would have paid for her medical care. The timespan is immaterial. Think of how many people were laid off by that single factory shutting down, and how much it hurt the economy, besides those human units.

          •  Hmmm....hmi seems like a..... (1+ / 0-)
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            •  Ever predictable (0+ / 0-)

              Even the merest suggestion of anything that might not fit The Narrative—well, it must be a Troll! Thanks for running true to form.

              •  Please spare me your tears... (0+ / 0-)

                I care nothing for conformity and have a laundry list of complaints with Obama. I also know a trend when I see one. Spare me your victimization, and your pompous condescension. Take your sniffles to someone who cares. "Wah, I'm so wise and smart that no one can debate me and hide from my wisdom. In fact, I'm so wise I saw this coming." Boo-fucking-who. You saw it coming because it's true. Go back to RedState.

          •  "Don't mistake a Fact for a Truth" (3+ / 0-)

            An English professor said that back when I was in college.  
            The Truth is that lots of people skimped on health care after their jobs were outsourced by Bain.  Uninsured people have a demonstrably higher death rate from some diseases (50% vs. 30% in advanced breast cancer, if I remember right).  That probably applies to most cancers and many other diseases, but it's hard to get a big enough group to do statistics on except in the most common diseases.

            Whether it could be a proven Fact that the specific lady in question would be alive now if she'd had good insurance coverage seems almost irrelevant to the basic Truth -- that people without access to health care die younger, on average.

            We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

            by david78209 on Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 12:13:36 PM PDT

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          •  The facts are that Bain caused this (2+ / 0-)
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            man's layoff. A trickle down/corporate run economy forced him to take a new job at half his previous wage. Over the course of five years his family's financial situation detereated and his wife, acutely aware of this did not or could not continue yearly check ups and preventative care. Somewhere during this period she developed cancer and was unaware. By the time she became so sick that she couldn't hide it anymore from her husband she saw a doctor but it was sadly too late. The moral(s) of this story is that the domino effect that cascaded to tragedy began with Bain's layoff. The state of the Economy speaks to the Conservative/corporate driven greed which further hampered his and his family's prospects. The fact that even if they discovered his wife's cancer while on her own insurance, her HMO would more than likely not have covered treatment due to it being a pre-existing condition. Romney's actions may not have been the direct cause of this woman's death (and the ad never claims it did). What the ad points to is the various ways Romney/Bain and Republican policies pulls the rug out from under middle class families and all too often lead to disastrous outcomes like this. If Bain hadn't laid him off, likely his wife would be alive today. Had the economic situation (thanks to Repubs) been better he probably could have found a decent paying job more quickly...with health coverage. Thirdly the broken healthcare system with no coverage for pre-existing conditions and unaffordable coverage for a family with little money (that Repubs wish to go back to) let's too many people like this man's wife suffer so for-profit HMOs can pad their bottom line.

            The ad is about more than simply shows how a society run by Republican policies doesn't work.

    •  ... and they had granite countertops, too (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Evidently (1+ / 0-)
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      Soptic seems to have been knocking around for a while.

      Soptic YouTube Video

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