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  •  You make a good point but so does the diarist. (3+ / 0-)
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    John Kelly, aliasalias, priceman

    I don't remember candidate Obama saying in 2008 or later in 2009 that he would allow Wall St thieves to skate away unpunished, while they squire away and offshore more of our nation's wealth at the expense of the 99%.  But that's what happened.

    The financiers and the war profiteers also encourage the 99% to be sacrificial lambs in yet another war, this time in Iran.   If Obama can't prosecute thieves,  how will he ever stand up against the forces that constantly demand more for themselves, while the sheep are forced to march off to war and sacrifice, while their future and  Social Security and Medicare is trashed.   The undue influence and greed of the 1% is  the problem.  

    What is the solution?   Is it to continue to fight for table scraps while the foxes guard the hen house?   I agree that the fight needs  to be made in such a way not to cut our nose to spite our face,  and harm the 99% and nation anymore than we have been.    A change isn't going to happen by accepting the status quo.    Voices need to be heard loud and clear by progressives.

    BTW I blame the election on Al Gore himself by picking an ass instead of an asset for VP,  and for not aggressively demanding a statewide re-vote in Florida instead of whimpering and putting his tail between his legs and giving the election to Bush.   The elections ALWAYS need decided by the people not the SCOTUS.    Gore could have forced that issue and the re-vote would have happened.

    Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

    by dailykozzer on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 06:11:40 AM PDT

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    •  I think your fox metaphor is inaccurate. (0+ / 0-)

      What we are faced with is not a choice between two foxes but rather a choice between a person who is quintessentially a member of the fox species and a person who is decidedly not a fox at all but merely one who has not pursued the foxes as diligently as some would like.

      But I truly don't believe he is sympathetic to foxes at all. What I think is that, early on, he fully understood that given the situation he inherited that his options were limited. He fully understood from the get go that he could pursue an agenda of health care reform or an agenda of retribution against the perpetrators of the Wall Street debacle. He also understood that both options would be deeply divisive for the country and he understood that, while he would have a reasonable chance to prevail in pursuing either, to pursue both would almost certainly guarantee the defeat of both as well as turning over the presidency to the Republicans in 2012. So he chose the health care option.

      You may not agree with his choice but let's be honest, he stuck his neck way out on that one and while most liberals such as myself think he did not fully press his case, the fact is, he was able to initiate a health care program that has a good chance of evolving into universal health care in your lifetime if you are under 40 or 50. This  has been an aspiration of Democrats since the days of Truman whose adminsitration, incidentally, I remember as a child. He is the first to get a foot in the door.

      It is easy for firebrands to second guess and decry what a president does when in office but I suspect most of them would find themselves looking a bit more soberly at the situation if they were given the reins of power and had to walk into the oval office, a few steps from the crisis room, with an understanding of the depth of their responsibilities and an understanding that, given the volatility of world politics, one false step could spell the end of any future for humanity.

      As I said, I am old enough to remember when Truman was president and that also makes me old enough to remember the pervasive "White Only" and "White-Colored" signs you would see at almost all public facilities in my home state of Lousiana. That battle is certtainly not over but we have come a long way given that we are now arguing about the re-election of an African American President. But the gains were made through a battle for hearts and minds, not by people voting against those who would not and could not move as fast as their ideals would dictate.

      Progress arrives as a result of an evolutionary process and those who pick up their ball and go home when they don't get everything only retard that progress.

      Back to the fox metaphor, your option is pretty much guaranteed to  hand over the key to the hen house and it is hard to see how that is a smart thing to do. But even more important than the hen house is the makeup of the Supreme Court because they set the rules of how the game is played. The other side has a huge advantage at present (I would still argue handed to them by Nader) and it would be ruinous to cede the nominating power to a president in the clutches of the fundamentalist-ultranationalist Tea Party.

      Again, back to the age thing, in all of the 14 elections cycles I remember we were told that "this one is the most important ones in history". It is an expected rhetorical flourish  easy to get used to and easy to dismiss. But this time around, given how strong the forces of reaction are at the moment, and given that the Supreme Court is so vital to the process, we are in danger of taking a retrograde path that will possibly require generations to correct. But an even deeper worry is that the world is on the brink of so many catastrophic possibilities that we may not have generations before it is too late.

      I urge you to reconsider. I don't know how old you are but I can promise you one thing, even if you are very young this is not a fight that will be won in your lifetime, much less one election cycle. The struggle is endless because there will always be people conniving to use the levers of power to exploit others. What you can hope for is to leave a world that is better than the one you were born into. As a general rule that does happen and most generations get to say the world is a better place than the one they found.

      The world is a den of thieves and night is falling. -Ingmar Bergman

      by Pirogue on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 08:25:18 AM PDT

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    •  Blame Sandra Day O'Connor (0+ / 0-)

      She did the wrong thing for partisan reasons, and she'll go to her grave with the blood of Iraq and Afghanistan on her hands.  Not to mention the destruction of our economy.

      You can't change the world without conflict. -- Markos

      by ZAPatty on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 09:28:51 AM PDT

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