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  •  If progressives in FL (2+ / 0-)
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    had voted for Gore instead of Nader, the election would not have been close enough to steal.

    And your memory of 2000 is a little faulty. Progressives were making the same arguments about Gore that they're making about Obama.

    I remember, because I supported Nader in 2000, to my everlasting shame. (although I do live in GA so my vote didn't affect the outcome).

    You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

    by tomjones on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 11:55:55 AM PDT

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    •  So you blame Nader for 2000? (0+ / 0-)

      You can continue the guilt trip, but those votes weren't what got Bush into office.  They weren't even counted in Florida.  Sandra Day O'Connor made a political decision -- she knew it was wrong and she did it anyway.  And now she laments the fact that the Bush v Gore decision is when the American public started to lose respect for the Supreme Court.

      We need to take direct action before the election.  

      You can't change the world without conflict. -- Markos

      by ZAPatty on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 12:19:27 PM PDT

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      •  I don't understant exactly what you mean by, (1+ / 0-)
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        "they weren't even counted in Florida". Whatever that means you can be sure they would have been counted if they had been cast for Gore and they would have put him over the top.

        By withholding votes from a viable Democratic candidate the Naderites effectively handed the election to Bush. However you dice it, if Nader hadn't run and siphoned votes off we would not have had 8 years of Bush. We would not have had two ruinious wars and we would not have had a reactionary Supreme Court bent on taking us back to the 18th Century.

        The world is a den of thieves and night is falling. -Ingmar Bergman

        by Pirogue on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 12:38:52 PM PDT

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        •  tens of thousands of voters were purged from the (1+ / 0-)
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          voting rolls, exit polls found Bush getting a lot of Dem votes, there were several other Parties on the list, recounts were stopped by Kathleen Harris, and then there was the  SCOTUS....

          The blame Nader thing has been debunked so many times that when someone tries it they should be ignored.

          without the ants the rainforest dies

          by aliasalias on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 02:36:42 PM PDT

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    •  I still support Nader (0+ / 0-)

      He is one of the few patriots like Bernie Sanders (defined as being supportive of the greater good instead of only wealthy shills).  

      I didn't vote for Nader in 2000.   BTW you didn't throw the election,  Al Gore did.    He chose an ass instead of an asset as VP.    Furthermore when he should have made his position known in Florida that all Americans demand a re-vote.  The people determine elections, and instead he acquiesced,  and allowed the 9 justices to decide for us.    I blame the Bush Presidency on Al Gore, not Ralph Nader.  

      Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

      by dailykozzer on Fri Aug 10, 2012 at 05:55:17 PM PDT

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