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  •  I wish I thought that were true (32+ / 0-)

    At this point I hear some populist campaign rhetoric from Democrats, but not a lot of positive agenda to push those values forward.  Democrats are still on the defensive in policy terms, and general statements of concern for the middle class -- while welcome -- don't fill in the policy blanks of what Democrats would do in a 113th Congress if they're given power.  

    I'd like to see a lot more derision and castigation of Republicans as tools of the wealthy.  Maybe Paul Ryan's presence on the ticket will produce those attacks from Dems.  The trickle-down zombie lie needs to be directly confronted and beaten down, and no better opportunity will ever present itself to Democrats than this election.  

    Keynesian stimulus should be championed with a big infrastructure program.  Taxes on the wealthy should be explicitly advocated by repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, as well as closing many loopholes the Romneys and Ryans use to pay risibly small tax rates.  Obama should be explicit too about not cutting benefits to individuals in Medicare; in not cutting Social Security in the future; and in expanding health care access in his second term beyond what the ACA does.

    We need a positive vision from Democrats as well as a hard, relentless attack on the plutocratic Republican agenda.  That's when I'll believe our politicians are fully comfortable as traditional Democrats.

    For the love of money is the root of all evil; and while some have coveted after it, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)

    by Dallasdoc on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:20:40 AM PDT

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    •  Amen to YOU, sir (2+ / 0-)
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      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:25:16 AM PDT

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    •  Sadly, an Amen to that as well. (5+ / 0-)

      I have the feeling that all we'll see is campaign rhetoric. It would be great to see a real Democratic platform with candidates committed to it.

      ",,, the Political whorehouse that is Fox News." Keith Olbermann

      by irate on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:25:52 AM PDT

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    •  I feel like that portion of the needed (4+ / 0-)
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      change is building.  It takes a brain trust to boil down the needs of the people into distilled messages that move us in those directions.  I don't know if many people who are part of the occupy movement also make those snazzy facebook placards.  Whoever is designing many of those messages, the Liberals I know pick through them and pass around the ones that speak in the most concise and undeniable terms, and then those are shared far and wide.  Even that is changing the debate, it carries me to the next point that needs addressed on the journey.  Saves me days and days of processing arguments and issues alone.

      I am only one person, I can only study so many important issues right now and I can only argue for so many solutions that work.  I need everyone else's help and leadership getting to a healthy America and I think awareness of the bullshit bill of goods we were sold is building.

    •  once again (5+ / 0-)

      you speak for me Dallasdoc.

      And what about some clear statements on filibuster reform from top Dems.

      Do we have any Democratic Senators willing to speak out positively about progressive moves we should make?

      Hidden is he. Mighty is he. His time returns. Hold, wait, be still

      by GideonAB on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:52:04 AM PDT

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      •  Yep. Without Democratic Senators willIng (5+ / 0-)

        To speak out about filibuster reform, and demand it for the next congress, no one will believe whatever populist rhetoric candidates spout.  Politicians of both parties use the filibuster to hide their unwillingness to follow through on what they say.  Obama essentially did the same.  We all remember the terrific populist speaking candidate of 2008.  Hope and change.  But when the time came to follow through he was backed down by a filibustering senate, and left saying that there weren't enough vote for the policies he espoused.  And there never will be, as long as we have to get 60 votes for everything.  The filibuster, and hence minority rule in the Senate, is only allowed to exist by the majority party in the senate.  Next time McConnell filibusters some necessary piece of democratic legislation, remember that you have every member of the Democratic majority to blame for yertles success.

    •  truer words (8+ / 0-)

      were never before posted.

      The trickle-down zombie lie needs to be directly confronted and beaten down, and no better opportunity will ever present itself to Democrats than this election.
      I would add, that this might be our (the Democrats) last chance to destroy this lie before our middle class is completely lost and we become a third world nation populated by a few super rich and a vast under class.

      "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

      by gulfgal98 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:55:21 AM PDT

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    •  exactly. the dems haven't been progressive since (9+ / 0-)

      the 70's, and show no interest at all in being progressive now.   They are not on our side, and won't be for the foreseeable future.

      What we have is a lunatic rightwing party, and a moderate center-right party.  NO ONE represents us. No one.

      That is precisely why Occupy had to take to the streets.

      •  and why they need to run candidates. I know the (2+ / 0-)
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        whole philosophy is pure democracy with no leaders, but doesn't it make sense to infiltrate Washington just like the Teabaggers did with that raft of freshman? Wouldn't that be some manner of beginning?

        If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

        by livjack on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:03:17 AM PDT

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        •  it's not a matter of ideology, it's a matter of (6+ / 0-)

          effectiveness.

          Until elections cease to be dominated by money (and neither party has taken a single step towards that), then elections are simply not an effective pathway to social change, no matter how many candidates we run for whatever party.

          The only effective pathway for social change left to us is outside the electoral system.

          If that changes later, then I'm all for utilizing whatever opportunities we have to run and elect our own candidates.  But that opportunity simply is not there for us now.

          •  one party alone (1+ / 0-)
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            is not able to make elections free from the influence of money - that would not work.

            Citiznes United has to be done away with - an Amendment anyone? - and real campaign finance laws put in place, with policing.

            Part of the problem is that everyone knows when the elections will be.... if the campaign may start at any time and only lasts perhaps  four weeks, you're better off - or rather we are, here in the UK.

            Is there any way you can shorten the process - I don't see it, short of major Amendments which are just not going to happen.

            •  I quite agree, one party alone can't do it (4+ / 0-)
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              Our problem is that NEITHER party wants to do it.  BOTH parties get their money from the same people, and NEITHER of them wants to end the gravy train.

              If we want money out of politics, we cannot look to either party to do that, or even to support our efforts to do it.

              We will have to do that on our own, independent of both parties.

              That is the lesson that Occupy taught us.

              •  Democrats might act (0+ / 0-)

                if pushed.

                Perhaps we need a litmus test for candidates we support.

                If a candidate wants the backing of the kos community, they must pledge to speak out about the affect of money on the process, even if other Democrats object.

                How I miss the fire of Weiner

                Hidden is he. Mighty is he. His time returns. Hold, wait, be still

                by GideonAB on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:41:21 AM PDT

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        •  teabaggers had the support of big money (2+ / 0-)
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          and the party establishment. occupy would be facing a brutal headwind in a democratic primary, in a system rigged to respond to money.

          organizing outside the party worked better at moving the party, IMO.

    •  Too cynical. Leaves no room for positive change, (1+ / 0-)
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      imo, just "I'll never believe them" complacency.

      Cynicism is the safe position and often turns out to be self-reinforcingly accurate, in the rear-view mirror.  But the future is for those who make it.

      Occupy is a great example of this.  Who would've thought that the conversation about inequality could change so quickly?  What did this? Activism, outrage, courage, and optimism...the exact opposite of cynicism.

      Great diary, Armando!

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