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  •  Exactly. Who cares if Occupy gets bashed? (11+ / 0-)

    Unlike a political figure running for office, Occupy isn't trying to burnish Occupy's image.

    If news report spends five minutes talking about income inequality, while also making the protesters look like stinky hippies, that is 100% win for Occupy.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:27:04 AM PDT

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    •  Occupy needs (7+ / 0-)

      to join forces with organized labor (what remains of it).  The anarchist elements in it are resisting this, unfortunately.  But that synthesis would make the difference between rhetorical changes and action.

      Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

      by KibbutzAmiad on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:45:12 AM PDT

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      •  pffft. organized labor (what's left of it) isn't (6+ / 0-)

        capable of action.  That's why it's in the boat it's in.  It has been reduced to shoveling money to the Dems and hoping for a pat on the head once in a while (that it never seems to get).

        •  That is why we need to join forces (3+ / 0-)
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          Do not knock Labor. They at least show up and work their asses off. We need more organized labor, not less.

          "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

          by sebastianguy99 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:13:31 AM PDT

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          •  I've been a union organizer for many years (2+ / 0-)
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            Most of the labor movement's troubles were its own fault. They made the conscious decision that their job was to protect "American workers", and to hell with all the others.  It was an open invitation to the corporations to do exactly what they did---ship all the jobs elsewhere.

            If the union movement had remembered what the words "solidarity" and "unity" mean (or at least what the word "whipsawing" means), that would not have happened.

            The current "labor movement" is an empty shell.

      •  Maybe, it's the union (2+ / 0-)
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        That ought to join occupy?
        Occupy's greatest stregnth may be its greatest weakness. Or vice- versa.
        But.
        It's always someone else's fault.  Someone else's responsibility.

      •  It's hard to join forces with organizations (2+ / 0-)
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        (aka unions) that are not willing to act in their own interests.

        Occupy Oakland, regardless of its anarchist origins, has been more than willing to work with organized labor, especially its rank and file, but including the bosses if they are willing to step up to the plate.  But by and large they have not been willing.

        For proof, see my diaries on Castlewood and Longview.  OO was willing to go and battle police in fucking Longview, WA in the goddammed snow and slush in support of the ILWU rank and file.  

        Their leaders did them in (to the extent they were done in), not Occupy.

        •  sadly, the union leaderships in the US insist on (2+ / 0-)
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          viewing themselves as "partners" with the owners, not as antagonists. And when the interests of the owners and the rank and file workers clash, the union leaderships work for their partners.

          They should have remembered that old IWW motto:  "The working class and the employing class have nothing in common".

        •  And the whole canceled Golden Gate Bridge (0+ / 0-)

          picket.  All of the Occupies I've been a part of have been more than willing to go out and support union actions and have been happy when the unions come and march with them.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:16:48 PM PDT

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      •  The anarchist elements, at least large parts (1+ / 0-)
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        of the anarchist elements, have been pushing to get labor off their ass for years and were more than happy to work with labor groups.  We welcomed labor.  What occupy is resisting is being taken over by other groups and turned into a campaigning organization.  I think that's a good instinct.  What should be happening is a connection between occupy and the rank and file of labor unions.  We aren't going to get the union bosses on board with what needs to be done.

        We saw a little of this in Wisconsin when there was a rising call for a general strike.  Which could have happened if it weren't pushed down by labor leaders.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:00 PM PDT

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        •  The Problem with this is (1+ / 0-)
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          the tendency to equate anyone who is on staff or holds elective office in a local with "Union Bosses".

          In my local our people turned out early to support OWS, only to discover that people at the GA presumed to exercise an effective veto over our choice of our own leadership.

          It's fine for OWS to determine its own internal structure but if you are going to work in coalitions with others, you have to respect their chosen structure as well.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 05:13:42 PM PDT

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          •  True, however I noticed that taking part (1+ / 0-)
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            in Occupy seemed to break down some of those barriers for a lot of anarchists as they realized that the shop steward wasn't a "boss"  in the way that a lot of them thought.

            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 05:31:17 PM PDT

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