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  •  Obama made the grand bargain fail. (2+ / 0-)

    He demanded a trillion dollars in tax hikes, making a non-negotiable demand in a discussion with the Republicans in 2011.  Quick, if there was one poison pill you could insist upon to make sure the Republicans would never take your offer, what would it be?

    And then, when it looked like there was a chance Boehner might actually accede, Obama asked for another $400 billion in tax hikes, just to make sure it stayed dead.

    The realization that there were no deals to be made with the Tea Party Republicans came well before July of 2011.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:36:07 AM PDT

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    •  So your position is (2+ / 0-)
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      it was 11 dimensional chess, and not what he wanted at all.  

      How do you explain the recent quote that he doesn't get enough credit from the media for being willing to bargain away social security and Medicare?  

      ‎"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them." --Frederick Douglass

      by Nada Lemming on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:47:44 AM PDT

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      •  Naw, it's not even that complicated. (0+ / 0-)

        This is just Politics 101: how to kill something you can't be seen trying to kill.  Inserting a poison pill is more "the oldest trick in the book" than "11-dimensional chess."  His execution of the maneuver was very well done, but ultimately, it was a very straightforward, common maneuver.

        And I explain the quote the same way I just explained the kabuki in the first place: he wants to be seen as Mr. Reasonable in contrast to the Republicans, and he sells himself as such to the media when he can do so in a consequence-free manner.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:52:16 AM PDT

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        •  Not a chance (1+ / 0-)
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          That's just wishful thinking that ignores all the evidence in front of your face.

          Obama surrounds himself with people who have long records of wanting to put the shiv to grandma. He larded his deficit commission with those picks. Rumors are that he wants to replace the departing whore for the bankers Geithner with Erskine Bowles, the better to slit grandma's throat.

          The Grand Bargain failed because the Republican extremists pushed beyond what even Obama was willing to give up. (Not that he was willing to give up anything personally; he's set for life.)

          Don't forget: Clinton was on this trajectory himself until the Lewinsky scandal derailed it. There is a powerful and influential cohort of Democrats who have prostituted themselves to Big Bank money and who have swallowed whole the Very Serious Wisdom of inside-the-Beltway cocktail parties. None of these people need count on Social Security or Medicare for a secure retirement and can't relate to those who do need to count on those programs.

          •  All of what evidence? (0+ / 0-)

            You mean like cuts that never happened, and never made it into any proposal put forward to Congress?

            You mean like how Obama specifically excluded Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare benefits from the automatic cuts?  That sort of evidence?

            You mean like the complete absence of any deficit commission recommendations about entitlements in any of his policies?

            Oh, no, you don't mean any of that.  You mean a rumor about a future appointment that might or might not happen.

            Color me unimpressed by your "evidence."

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 12:28:08 PM PDT

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