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  •  Talk is where politics starts (2+ / 0-)
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    doroma, Militarytracy

    I'm not sure what your objection is. Would you rather there NOT be "talk?"

    I do not understand the position some of you are taking. Indeed, I find it utterly bizarre.

    Are you intent on declaring Occupy a failure?

    •  Absolutely not (2+ / 0-)
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      jpmassar, Nada Lemming

      I am not declaring Occupy a failure.  I am objecting to your assertion that Obama is the Occupy candidate and your implication that there is any connection between the populist rhetoric and the actions we have seen and continue to see to this very day.

      I find it hard to believe that the concept of telling people what they want to hear, of adopting good messaging while having no intention of following through on it (and instead intending to push Simpson-Bowles through asap after the election for one example) is something that you find to be bizarre.  I don't generally find you to be a disingenuous person, the opposite in fact, but I think you are playing here.  I think you do get what we are saying.

      Occupy has been successful at bringing some key issues back into the forefront and forcing Democrats to at least pretend that they have any intention of addressing those issues.  But the Dems have signalled what they really intend to DO regardless of what Occupy messaging they incorporate into their campaign marketing.  Dodd-Frank is still not implemented.  Look at the mortgage settlement.  What happened to the Volcker rule?  I mean, I could put out  many more examples of the rhetoric not matching the actions and intentions, yes intentions, because they have been telling us what they intend to do too.

      It's only the beginning though for Occupy -- this is only a start and the D response to Occupy right now is an attempt to keep the Democratic base somewhat happy so that turnout will not be a disaster.  I mean come on, it's election season. The populist rhetoric is turned on for the campaign speeeches and off again like a switch the minute that election is over.  If the issues are not addressed for real, the protests will grow, and just because it's not in the news or because there aren't huge marches every day does not mean that this movement is dead.  

      Anyway, all the same problems are still there and if anything they are worse than ever.   The protest movement might ebb and flow and there has been some success but it is only the beginning if the real issues are not addressed.  Yes, Occupy has been a success but this is not a project that is now over and gets a final grade.  It is a start.  And the movement has not convinced the powers that be that they need to really change things, apparently.  It has only convinced them to adopt some of the rhetoric, clamp down further on their secrecy policies, privatize a lot of their military activity and fudge numbers and keep the neverending wars out of the public eye, throw some British bankers out there as scapegoats for an election season spectacle while still protecting the big five banks here and others, etc.  

      They have not convinced many of our elected officials that they need to change the status quo or that they will lose their positions of power if they don't change their ways or that they have to throw off their owners who provide the campaign money.  So there is a lot more work to do.  But they did break through the propaganda, brought the issue of the bankers back to the forefront when it looked like everyone in Washington had forgotten all about the crash.  They made it uncomfortable for some politicians who were not and still are not listening at all.  Now they are listening, but their response has been to find a way to more cleverly say one thing while doing another.  So far.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:42:50 AM PDT

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