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  •  it doesn't matter what the rhetoric is when (1+ / 0-)
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    there is no action to back up the rhetoric.

    It's just rhetoric.  And rhetoric is cheap.

    •  Is that what you said about austerity rhetoric? (0+ / 0-)

      Because I recall story after story about how terrible it was for Obama to be (allegedly) acceding to the austerity gospel in his rhetoric.

      How about during the debt ceiling negotiations - is this what you were saying about President Obama's rhetoric then?  "It doesn't matter what the rhetoric is when there is no action to back up the rhetoric" about, say, Social Security COLAs or entitlement cuts?

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:20:30 AM PDT

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      •  yes, it was. (1+ / 0-)
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        My gripe with the austerity agenda wasn't the rhetoric---it was the reality of it. Ditto for the debt ceiling "negotiations".

        Words don't mean diddley to me.  Actions do.  And the Democratic actions, since 1979, have been to surrender to everything the goppers want.

        •  Except there was no reality to it. (0+ / 0-)

          It was all rhetoric.  No actual austerity at the federal level happened.

          There were no "actions" that the President took in regards to entitlement cuts, for instance, during the debt ceiling negotiations.  In fact, the only substantive actions he took on the issue was to specifically protect Social Security and Medicare benefits from reductions as part of the sequestration.

          So your complaint can't possibly be about "actions" or "reality."  You were complaining about rhetoric which was every bit as removed from substantive action as (you speculate) this year's campaign rhetoric will be - and yet, clearly, you responded very strongly to that rhetoric at the time, deeming it to be of the utmost importance.  So much so that you now forget that it was "just words."

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03:24 PM PDT

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          •  the cat food commission established itself, I (0+ / 0-)

            suppose. . . .

            •  Rhetoric, no actions. (0+ / 0-)

              It would be difficult for me to come up with a more perfect example of empty rhetoric than the appointment of a Blue Ribbon Commission whose ideas are never implemented.

              Ooh, look how serious I am: I appointed a Blue Ribbon Commission.  Even the term is a joke.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 04:50:40 PM PDT

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          •  Unemployment Insurance was reduced (0+ / 0-)

            I'm pretty sure.  There were no big austerity measures pushed, but there were austerity measures, especially when you take into account the lack of funding to states from the federal level.

            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 01:09:32 PM PDT

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