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  •  you're right, of course mimi (7+ / 0-)

    there's more at stake than just pride, at lest for the moneyed powers behind the narrative. But for an average middle of the road conservative American it may not be such a long stretch to a reasonable position on most issues if it weren't for the constant fear-mongering and propaganda.

    •  you're right, of course citisven (2+ / 0-)
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      yes, this kind of intense fear-mongering and propaganda and immersion into lies through the media is something I don't think we have ever seen in the last 100 years or so. But then, I don't know what it was really like here in the US in the last 100 years. So, disregard my comment.

      I like so much that you have the optimism and skills to write up such a diary and engage in activism. A voice like yours I think was missing here at dailykos.

      •  it would be really interesting to (5+ / 0-)
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        research some old literature about history the temperature of the political dialog in the U.S., mimi. My feeling is that there have probably been similar phases before, but that there never was the kind of instant and widespread media apparatus to amplify the rancor like that. But I don't think it's unprecedented globally, just think of what it was like in Germany in the 1930s. I can't even imagine what the average sane person must have felt about what was coming at them.

        Thanks for the kind words, I feel like if I don't have any optimism then it's impossible for me to be part of the solution.

        •  Sadly... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...I think you'd find it's always been this way. When there is a superficial cooling down, it's usually because conservatism is so dominant that it can repress all other strains of thought without breaking a sweat.

          But things do change.

          I'm in my later 50s. If anyone had told me thirty years ago that the United States would have a black president who endorsed gay marriage, I would have seriously doubted that person's mental health.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 10:54:35 AM PDT

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        •  I think it's different than in the 1920-1933 (2+ / 0-)
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          NoMoreLies, citisven

          because the technology was not that intrusive and all immersing back then. Propaganda was spread through radio, newspapers, printed pamphlets and the political parties' organized meetings, marches, and social activities like sport, all happening in "meat-space".  When the events were over, you went home and had space to breathe freely. You choose your affiliations to a party according to your personal ideology, which meant you also could still decide to choose none at all without fearing for your livelihood and without being uncapable to perform and understand basic functions of government and businesses.

          The biggest difference I see in todays spread of propagande is that they use methods who act upon your subconsciousness with the help of intensely researched psychological methods. They use these methods on the internet, social networks, radio talkshows and TV talkshows and advertisements in all platforms.

          People are purposefully and constantly bombarded with propaganda designed to mentally confuse you, tricked you out and cheat you. Propaganda today is the spread of lies in forms people don't recognize as lies, so well crafted are they in their make-up and camouflage.

          Propaganda in the 1930 was straight forward. No way you could not understand what the real purpose and intent of the ideological content of that propaganda was. Today there is propaganda whose "trollish" nature of its content fogs people's minds.

          The propaganda is con-artistery, that you are also almost competely incapable of escaping. The exposure is tied to basic daily life  functions you have to perform. That basically means your mind is constantly exposed to propaganda that confuses you by telling you lies. They appeal to your instincts so well, that you are attached to them.

          The mind control is way more personal, direct, intimate (via internet) and tight and has quantitatively risen to full 24h/7d imposition on to your brain. The propaganda is almost hypnotic, at least people who have bought into certain ideological propaganda act, imo, as if they were hypnotised.

          Think about it, many foreigners to Germany are fond of saying that they like German-style racism and ideological extremism better, because their propaganda is so "direct in your face and straight forward". They like it because it's so "easy to understand".

          Compare that to today's propaganda, schmoozing with your emotions that confuse the message, usage of code language and images that do not reflect the actual intent of the ads, con-artist propaganda, snake-oil wording, appealing to your instinctive moral values and undermining them at the same time.

          So, in short, imo, way more damaging and dangerous propaganda than in the 1920 - 1933.

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