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  •  What is your best evidence that Qatar or Saudi (0+ / 0-)

    Arabia have supplied weapons to the FSA?

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    by Clay Claiborne on Sat Aug 11, 2012 at 06:14:40 PM PDT

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    •  There has been dozens of reports from (0+ / 0-)

      pro-opposition media such as BBC, Guardian, NY Times, Washington Post, Al Jazeera, etc.

      Here's one from SNC. You can be damn sure it's true if the VERY pro-interventionist Kodmani says it.

      SNC confirms Saudi, Qatari weapons in Syria
      Published Monday, August 6, 2012

      Qatar and Saudi Arabia are giving light arms to Syria's rebels, a spokeswoman for the opposition SNC confirmed on Monday, calling for more advanced weapons to confront Bashar al-Assad's regime.

      "Rebels on the ground are searching desperately for arms wherever they can find them," Bassma Kodmani, spokesperson for the external opposition, the Syrian National Council, told France's Europe 1 radio.

      "There are certain countries that are providing light and conventional weapons," she said.

      Asked which countries, Kodmani said: "It is Qatar, Saudi Arabia, it is maybe a little bit Libya with what it has left over from its own battle."

      •  That's the best you can do? (0+ / 0-)

        This is one person in Paris who is trying to get foreign countries to support the revolution so there is her incentive to claim that some are already providing light and conventional weapons, but no anti-aircraft.

        The FSA commanders on the ground who say they have received nothing (except what Libya thuwar bought with them) know the situation a lot better than she does.

        As to your 1st sentence, repetition doesn't make it more true. Santa Claus doesn't become more real because more children believe in him.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:10:37 AM PDT

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        •  You believe only what you want to believe. (2+ / 0-)
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          You have twisted and stretched "facts" into convoluted pretzels in order to make whatever case you want. If a link does not support your view, you simply refuse to even read it. There have been dozens of posts in your diaries that have answered this question since at least last fall. Some have even come right from the mouths of the FSA.

          The FSA commanders on the ground who say they have received nothing (except what Libya thuwar bought with them) know the situation a lot better than she does.
          Do you have a link to back this statement up?

          You have managed to believe your own propaganda and now consider yourself to be an "expert" on Syria. Looking back on your diaries, you have been wrong much more times than right. You have taken to making wild assumptions based on little more than a few tweets or comments on Facebook.

          The reason some of the rebels under the FSA umbrella have run out of ammunition is because they don't all have as good source as the more militant Islamic ones do.

          Al-Qaida turns tide for rebels in battle for eastern Syria

          Religious and sectarian rhetoric has taken a leading role in the Syrian revolution from the early days. This is partly because of the need for outside funding and weapons, which are coming through well-established Muslim networks, and partly because religion provides a useful rallying cry for fighters, with promises of martyrdom and redemption.

    •  Here's more. There are dozens of these reports (0+ / 0-)
      Syrian rebels get influx of arms with gulf neighbors’ money, U.S. coordination
      By Karen DeYoung and Liz Sly, Published: May 15

      Syrian rebels battling the regime of President Bashar al-Assad have begun receiving significantly more and better weapons in recent weeks, an effort paid for by Persian Gulf nations and coordinated in part by the United States, according to opposition activists and U.S. and foreign officials.

      Obama administration officials emphasized that the United States is neither supplying nor funding the lethal material, which includes antitank weaponry. Instead, they said, the administration has expanded contacts with opposition military forces to provide the gulf nations with assessments of rebel credibility and command-and-control infrastructure.
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      Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood also said it has opened its own supply channel to the rebels, using resources from wealthy private individuals and money from gulf states, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, said Mulham al-Drobi, a member of the Brotherhood’s executive committee.

      The new supplies reversed months of setbacks for the rebels that forced them to withdraw from their stronghold in the Baba Amr neighborhood of Homs and many other areas in Idlib and elsewhere.

      “Large shipments have got through,” another opposition figure said. “Some areas are loaded with weapons.”
      ...
      Opposition figures said they have been in direct contact with State Department officials to designate worthy rebel recipients of arms and pinpoint locations for stockpiles, but U.S. officials said that there currently are no military or intelligence personnel on the ground in Syria.
      ...
      Despite administration hopes that the Sunni-led Syrian National Congress would become an umbrella organization, it has failed to win support from minority Syrian Christians, Kurds, Druze and Assad’s Alawite sect. All have resisted what they say is the group’s domination by the Muslim Brotherhood.

      •  That report says nothing about receiving weapons (0+ / 0-)

        from SA & Qatar. It says those countries gave money to buy weapons.

        Opposition activists who two months ago said the rebels were running out of ammunition said this week that the flow of weapons — most still bought on the black market in neighboring countries or from elements of the Syrian military — has significantly increased after a decision by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other gulf states to provide millions of dollars in funding each month.

        But since you seem to think this a current source, do you also agree with this statement?

        Obama administration officials emphasized that the United States is neither supplying nor funding the lethal material
        Keep in mind that these countries and the US want to look like they are doing something, and so like most aid programs the hype and the publicity is a lot greater than the reality.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:23:45 AM PDT

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        •  The Obama administration has said is it is (0+ / 0-)

          facilitating the process of distributing arms to the rebels. They have admitted that they are also giving "non-lethal" support such as communications equipment and 'intelligence' to them.

          In the least, the US is guilty of conspiracy to distribute arms to the rebels which is morally the same as the deed.

          http://www.nytimes.com/...

          C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition

          WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers.

           The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said.

          The C.I.A. officers have been in southern Turkey for several weeks, in part to help keep weapons out of the hands of fighters allied with Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, one senior American official said. The Obama administration has said it is not providing arms to the rebels, but it has also acknowledged that Syria’s neighbors would do so.

          Keep in mind that these countries and the US want to look like they are doing something, and so like most aid programs the hype and the publicity is a lot greater than the reality.
          You can be damn sure the US and NATO countries are doing "something". That "something" may not necessarily be in the FSA's direct best interest. They are expendable -  canon fodder if you will.

          If the US cannot control the outcome of civil strife in a country in their cross-hairs, they will facilitate it's destruction. This appears to be what is occurring.

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