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  •  That makes sense (27+ / 0-)

    But it doesn't mesh for politicians. They actively make choices on where tax dollars will go, and thus have the ability to contribute to the poor with their choices. I would think that God would understand the changing nature of the political-economic dynamic well enough to see that a decision to help the poor often does lead to a direct sacrifice by the politician (through lost revenue to special interest groups and campaign contributions).

    I'm not specifically speaking of the choices of individual taxpayers. The choice lies in the hands of the policy makers. And a Christ-driven legislator cannot endorse a system that favors and promotes wealth creation. At least that's my argument.

    •  This is part of the reason for separation of (21+ / 0-)

      church and state:

      And a Christ-driven legislator cannot endorse a system that favors and promotes wealth creation. At least that's my argument.
      Wealth creation is not bad. It's good. Government helped create a middle class economy (part of that was a response to the problems with "Robber-baron" capitalism, part of it was fear of Bolshevism")
      and that flexible, adaptive, middle class economy created much wealth for many more people than was previously possible.

      A growing middle class means fewer poor and better conditions for the poor. It creates a space in the economy for the poor to climb into. It creates a more stable and peaceful society.

      What we have now is a decadent system in which the rich and powerful have rigged the rules to extract wealth and power out of the middle class to fatten their own purses.  The middle class is shrinking and there's no place for the poor to go but down.
      We have welfare for the rich. In the meantime, they have won the political battles by pitting the middle class against the poor, white against black and hispanic, etc.
      They have also manipulated and hijacked Christianity to support their own power.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 07:39:46 AM PDT

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    •  It doesn't mesh for Christians (4+ / 0-)

      either. At least, not the fundamentalist, evangelical, metal church kind. Or any kind of Calvinist. Who have long insisted that Christians don't get "brownie points" for good deeds.

      In which case the 'helping hand' of the government(s) the people establish is an important reflection of the moral/ethical beliefs of the people as a cultural norm, and not attributable as "brownie points" for any individual contributor to the charity of the state (or the church).

    •  Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. (3+ / 0-)

      I'm not sure investing in the expansion of the military at the expense of social services is what Jesus had in mind.

      (Actually, I am pretty sure, but that's just me.)

      4π^3 + π^2 + π

      by Boris49 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:49:54 AM PDT

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      •  Boris - render unto Ceasar (1+ / 0-)
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        Taxes in the time of the birth of Jesus were spent supporting the lifestyle of a privileged elite and waging foreign wars. I don't think we can use that phrase to suggest that Jesus supported using government to provide a social safety net or a redistribution of income from the wealthy to the poor.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:56:27 PM PDT

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        •  A theological debate would be curious on this site (0+ / 0-)

          However, in view of the body of sayings attributable to Jesus and not some subsequent scriveners, the saying clearly denounces materialism in favor of the spiritual.

          When read within sayings on charity and hospitality along with the beatitudes, there is no doubt what Jesus meant.  However, his words were for the Jews and not for the Romans or gentiles.  Paul changed that, of course.  And the Christian Right has basically abandoned the teaching.

          4π^3 + π^2 + π

          by Boris49 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:24:49 PM PDT

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    •  True and precisely why I am against (0+ / 0-)

      Faith based programs with tax dollars.  So wrong ...They disregarded render unto Caesar ( government ) that which is Caesar and that which is God's God.  They totally ignore this.  ITS IN THE BOOK.

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      by Vetwife on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 05:17:26 PM PDT

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