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  •  Also, communist alien zombies under the bed! nt (5+ / 0-)

    Have a flagon and discuss the news of the day at the sign of the Green Dragon

    by Dracowyrm on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:18:17 PM PDT

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    •  D's Moving Right too (0+ / 0-)

      David Dayen:

      The depiction over the next couple months will be of a stark ideological choice between protecting the safety net and radically transforming it. That’s not quite right. I actually wrote about the actual fault line in American politics, relative to these fiscal issues, back in June of 2011, during the debt limit debate. It still holds up:

          Maybe you think those leading Democrats aren’t being sincere about (protecting safety net programs). I actually am fine thinking that they are. Because this has now become the dividing line in American politics: one side wants to destroy the safety net, privatize everything, kill the unions, cut taxes for the rich and drown government in the bathtub. The other side doesn’t want to end Medicare. They don’t really want to expand it, they don’t even mind cutting it, hopefully to make it more efficient. They just don’t want to end it. Clearly you see how far to the right that dividing line has moved.

          Democrats haven’t been totally firm on anything but the idea of not ending Medicare and not privatizing Social Security. Everything else is up for grabs. They don’t want to “slash” benefits to Social Security, but changes in the COLA by using chained CPI, which would result in a benefit cut, are on the table. They don’t want to end Medicare, but they’re open to cuts as long as they are attached to some minor revenue increases. They are concerned about senior health care, but they don’t mind making fairly severe changes to a program that substantially benefits seniors: Medicaid [...]

          You can call it something antiseptic like a “blended rate” or “chained CPI,” but the proposals are to give state Medicaid programs, or Social Security beneficiaries, less money over time. As long as Democrats don’t end these programs, they feel comfortable starving them of funding.

          I know, I’m painting with a broad brush. I’m sure some Democrats would rather strengthen the safety net than cut it. But in the end, I’ll go by the actions taken.

      That’s the firmament on which this election will be decided, and unless more leaders go into government who shift that fault line to the left, around adequate safety nets and progressive taxation, nothing will change. Either that, or an independent movement outside government makes it impossible for the side touting their protection of Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security to do anything but actually protect it. I believe this is a real choice; there is a difference between ending it and just cutting it. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves about what that choice is.

      There is a real danger if we lay down on putting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid up for grabs like the leading D's are wont to do.  Actions do speak louder, and the D record is not good.  Kabuki and posturing will not preserve these programs as they are.  They should be firmly pulled off the table.  Who keeps putting them on it?
      •  Yeah...except that that's nonsense. (6+ / 0-)

        If anything, the way this campaign is going to play out forces Democrats to stiffen their resolve to defend those programs. They get to play hero by defending them against Romney/Ryan and the Republicans.

        You keep asserting that leading Democrats want to undermine those programs. It has been repeatedly shown to you that the facts contradict that assertion.

        Again: you have a choice: keep up your paranoid fantasy, or change your opinion.

        You are wrong about this.

        Demonstrably wrong.

        Please open yourself to education rather than continually doubling down.

        Have a flagon and discuss the news of the day at the sign of the Green Dragon

        by Dracowyrm on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:02:45 AM PDT

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      •  You do know that Kos (2+ / 0-)
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        gramofsam1, Kinak

        can get in trouble for Kossacks violating fair use laws, right?

        It's about time I changed my signature.

        by Khun David on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 02:28:24 AM PDT

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