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  •  The was going to be my point (5+ / 0-)

    Since when do we base the economic principles of an organized society on a work of fiction?  

    TEA PARTIES: Something little girls do with their imaginary friends. (seen on bumper sticker in Port Clyde, Maine)

    by flygrrl on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 10:08:18 AM PDT

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    •  Erm, the Bible? Hello? (3+ / 0-)
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      We have a very long history in Western civilization of at least nominally basing the legitimacy and the coercive force of government and the resulting economic system on another much older work of imaginative fiction, AKA the Bible.

      •  I see your point, but... (1+ / 0-)
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        Within Western society using the Bible to justify social and economic structure began decaying during the Age of Enlightenment, when large percentages of the general population started being educated.  By the mid-19th Century even Biblically-justified slavery was coming to an end.

        We will always have the easily convinced with us.

        TEA PARTIES: Something little girls do with their imaginary friends.

        by flygrrl on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 01:15:46 PM PDT

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        •  Gotta disagree there. The right wing weasels... (4+ / 0-)

          are too slick to come right out and say "brown people, teen moms, welfare queens and immigrants should be poor because Jesus said so", but that's what they are constantly implying. Their audience hears the dog whistles.

          From the 'gospel of prosperity' to Calvinist predestination to every smug suburban megachurch you've ever seen, the constant subtext is that "those people" deserve to be poor, God's will and all, but you good folks in the pews have Christ smiling down on you. And please fill the collection basket.

    •  Or a work of fiction without any economics? (4+ / 0-)

      Rand, Ryan and the other cultists (and they are) pursue a line of belief without any basis in fact, espoused by Rand's incredibly turgid and stifling shit writing.

      Ryan has an undergraduate BA in Economics and Political Science. Miami U Ohio offers both a BA and a BS in Economics -- the difference is considerable in that the BS is much more rigorous, requires much more math and analytical modeling. The BS requires more advanced math and in addition a considerable amount of work in statistics, both theory and applied.

      I tooka First Honors BS in Economics and a second in Business Management along with a number of graduate courses I took later without intention of taking the degree at the time. It doesn't mean very much and it suggests that Ryan has at best a nodding familiarity with the concepts. The suggestion he was involved early on with Hayek, a minor figure in Economics along with Mises and the rest of the Austrians and minored in political science suggests he was more interested in acquiring a veneer to go with what he believed, than the basis for the science.

      When it comes to economic theory, Rand didn't have any and neither does Ryan. What he and Rand share is an extremist view of free markets that has no basis in the past or present. It is completely contrary to the shared American experience and what we have learned from long, hard years of economic observation.

      It might be gratifying to say fuck the poor or let them eat cake, but in economic terms that's simply stupid. The great social experiment of the GI bill educated a generation and grew the great American economy and technology of the second half of the 20th C.

      In France, a economic coda of belief akin to that of Ryan and Rand result in the erection of guillotines in the Place de la Concorde and other centers of population. The rich didn't pay taxes and refused to pay taxes.

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