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  •  This is a very important story for all voters to (19+ / 0-)

    be made aware of before election day, tho I think using the specific term "treason" can be unnecessarilly distractning from the greater general notion of rejecting the legitimacy of the small d democratic process.

    This could be worked into an ad that hits the GOP hard and makes Obama look good for having been able to get stuff done in spite of GOP bullshit and could perhaps help us make this a wave election.

     

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:20:21 AM PDT

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    •  "Treason" is emotionally loaded. (10+ / 0-)

      Though I agree with it conceptually, it will evoke a strong emotional defense. Out here among 'em, I say "subverting our democracy." The response is usually confusion rather than an emotional defense, but maybe it begets thought rather than the automatic, emotional defense.

      Can't always tell for sure ;)

      "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

      by cotterperson on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:51:24 AM PDT

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      •  It's highly debatable whether this plot meets (8+ / 0-)

        the constitutional definition of treason and a good case can be made that it does not. We can way too easily get sidetracked. It doesn't matter whether it's treason or not. The emotion should be easy to stir regardless.

        No matter how you slice it, it is what the vast majority of the electorate would see as detrimental behavior that is not in keeping with American small d democratic values.

        It's an "if I can't have it my way I'll burn the place down" way of governance and only the Tea Party is on board with that. Tie the GOP to the Tea Party, make this a choice election up and down ticket and we take back the House.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:18:16 AM PDT

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      •  You know... that's the problem with Democrats (6+ / 0-)

        We are afraid of "emotion" and eliciting emotion from people.

        Yet, there is nothing wrong with emotional appeals to the ideals that people value.


        In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

        by bronte17 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 10:46:17 AM PDT

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        •  Strongly agree (5+ / 0-)
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          that some appeals to emotion have a positive effect, depending upon the emotion aroused. The GOP has been using hate, fear, and anger since their early '70s "Southern Strategy." Last I knew of persuasion theory, emotional appeals work best with the least-informed.

          Since I live in a red state, my goal, if politics comes up, is to try to avoid that ugly pathway carved so deep in their brains by the corporate media. Instead, I want them to have to jump to the thinking part of their brain. When I say "subverting our democracy," I'm one of them -- not someone attacking them. They don't have the automatic emotional response, and they do sometimes stop and think. Sometimes there's even a little conversation.

          No doubt I overgeneralized. Thanks for bringing it to my attention ;)

          "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

          by cotterperson on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 11:49:35 AM PDT

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