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  •  I would so love to see the 2nd Obama term with (5+ / 0-)

    a House and Senate Democratic majority! Talk about action! Talk about progress! I think he would leave office with the Democrats so popular we would sweep again in 2016.

    "...it's difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

    by Mayfly on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:04:08 PM PDT

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    •  We had that from 2009-11. (1+ / 0-)
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      What would be different this time, to this extent?

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:43:36 PM PDT

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      •  Reid could hae learned something? (0+ / 0-)

        Easily to imagine that this time around, Harry Reid and the other Senate old-timers would be much more aggressive and willing to change some ancient rules and traditions to weaken the opposition. Change the cloture to 55 or 52 votes, if not eliminating it altogether, eliminate blind holds, require up-or-down votes on appointees approved by their committees, etc.

        Speaker Pelosi wasn't such a wimp as the Senate Democrats, but even she could be more ruthless with the Repubs on a second go-around.

        Much less HOPE that Team Obama has learned much if anything. I'm afraid that the trait of giving in before the pushing and shoving even gets started is deep and psychological: the half-black kid in the schoolyard learned to disarm possible opponents by always agreeing to what they wanted. Or something. I am not a shrink and I do not play one on TV. But in any case, I don't see the President who admires Ronald Reagan becoming more like Harry Truman in a second term, no matter who many seats we have in Congress

        •  Obama appears to learn from experience. I count on (1+ / 0-)
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          that. Also, after he won, he had only 2 years with a ledge majority. We all know about that Repub meeting re "block everything at all costs." And there was the race thing.

          FDR got a lot done 1st term, but he was a member of the club, and even at that had to deal with an attempted coup from the plutocrats.

          As a former civil servant I can attest that it is hard to get anything done in 2 years.  But four years with no further election to worry about?  I have hopes.

          "...it's difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

          by Mayfly on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 02:41:05 PM PDT

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          •  We'll see. I hope. We will certainly (1+ / 0-)
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            have no margin for error in either the Senate or the House--even if we kill the filibuster--so that will be pretty much the same as before, as will be the 100% Republican "No" votes. And there's no guarantee of 4 years, either.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 03:14:46 PM PDT

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        •  We'll know that right off the bat. (2+ / 0-)
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          If he kills the filibuster--assuming we take the House and keep the Senate, which is a tall order still--then we'll know. If not, then there will be zero reason to be optimistic.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 03:15:56 PM PDT

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      •  Everbody says that (0+ / 0-)

        and it just isn't true.  The Democrats only had a 60 vote majority for 4 months, and one of those votes was turncoat Joe Lieberman.  Unlike the Republicans, Democrats seldom vote en bloc.  Because of the 60 vote requirement in the Senate, people like Lieberman and Nelson had inordinate power in the Senate, and the power to demand concessions for their vote.

        It's surprising that anything could get passed at all.  Once the House fell into the hands of the Republican crazies and teapartiers (a resurgent John Birch Society), it all but guaranteed that nothing would get done.

        "There are times when even normal men must spit in their hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

        by rwgate on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 03:35:27 PM PDT

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        •  And this time we'll have even less. (0+ / 0-)

          What was your point again?

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 03:40:32 PM PDT

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        •  Besides, 57, 58, or 59 (0+ / 0-)

          still comprises a "Democratic majority", which was what the commenter I responded to mentioned. Nobody said anything about the magic number . . .

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 03:51:00 PM PDT

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    •  Not going to get my hopes up... (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama is a good campaigner and he's now in campaign mode.  When he was in governing mode in 2010-2011 he really sucked it up.  The Republicans dragged the HCR vote out for months, we got a watered down bill thanks to Obama trying to cater to them, and then we got slaughtered at the polls.  A bunch of other Democratic priorities, including fixing Citizens United, did not get passed.  

      Hopefully Obama has learned something from that experience, but I'm not counting on it.  Even if we kill the Republicans and take back the House, I suspect he'll go straight back to kissing their asses with "bipartisanship".  

      •  To add some hope, even to my own (0+ / 0-)

        disparagement, at least Larry Summers isn't around as much anymore.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 03:49:19 PM PDT

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