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  •  Christian fundy right no interest in Christs... (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, Only Needs a Beat

    teachings.

    You state that
    "The Romney/Ryan ethic is antithetical not only to Christ's teachings"

    Well, the "Christian fundamentalist right" doesn't care much for what Christ had to say or what he did.

    These people are all about the Old Testament.

    The only part of Christ that they care about is that he was kind enough to die for their sins and if they accept him as their Lord and Savior and repent their sins then they get to go to heaven no matter how they behaved in life.

    So the Rand \ Ryan \ Romney policies are just fine with those people because those policies do not get in the way of their getting saved.

    The nine most terrifying words in the english language . . . "I'm George Bush, we're here to liberate your country"

    by TiredOfGOPLies on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 01:19:44 PM PDT

    •  Stop attacking the Old Testament (2+ / 0-)
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      All the good parts of Jesus' teachings are restatements of the teachings of the "old testament".  The story that we are our brother's keeper goes all the way back to Genesis.

      You are confusing 'the old testament' with Luther's, Calvin's, and Knox's radical interpretations of the epistles of Paul, which really do teach that works don't save you and only right theology does.

      The actual 'old testament' is the origin of the commandments to not withhold from the poor, to not vex the stranger, to love your neighbor as yourself, to pursue justice, and to protect the widows and orphans.

      This must be the sixth or seventh time I've seen someone at DailyKos act as if the "old testament" represented some kind of harsh uncaring religion, and each time I've corrected them. Why are there liberal progressives who think this???  

      •  Probably because of the people who speak about it. (0+ / 0-)

        Probably because the Old Testament is so often quoted by the hate-filled as a justification for their hatred.

        Not saying that's the correct take-away from the Old Testament, but the people who use their religious ideology to justify hatred do it with that part.

        At least, I've never seen someone speak of Jesus dividing families in bitter emotion (Luke 12:51-12:53 and Luke 14:26).  Odd bits there, but generally people don't quote stuff like that to justify their disregard for family members whom they disapprove of.

        Nope, it's always talk about Leviticus or some such thing.  Out of context or not, they could also take the New Testament out of context to justify their hatred, they just don't.

        Plus there's probably just some people looking to take a shot at a religion or religious writing that others won't object to be vilified.

        •  Yes, but we shouldn't use "OT" that way (0+ / 0-)

          I was objecting (here and elsewhere) to statements from supposed progressives here on DK, saying things like "These people [Fundamentalist hypocrites] are all about the Old Testament", as if being all about the Old Testament was bad.

          If fundamentalists were "all about the OT", they would seek justice, recognize that we must be kind to the foreigner because we were foreigners in the land of Egypt, and would believe that reaching out to the needy is not merely an act of charity, but a legal duty.

          What many hypocrite fundamentalists are "all about" is Luther's doctrine of "sola fide", which is an extreme interpretation not of the Old Testament, but of the very un-Jesuslike epistles of Paul.  This viewpoint essentially says that good works don't get you into heaven, but rather (correct) faith alone does.  In short, a fundamentalist believer who neglects the poor winds up in heaven anyway while a just and kind secular humanist rots in hell.

          Speaking of Leviticus, I love that book, because in it is the holiness code, among which is:
          "You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God: I am the LORD. [this means don't mislead the ignorant as the science-deniers do, or as the teachers about "death panels" do] You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. [this means give people the benefit of the doubt and avoid prejudice] You shall not go up and down as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand forth against the life of your neighbor: I am the LORD. You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason with your neighbor, lest you bear sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear any grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD."

          If we could persuade voters to really take Leviticus to heart, we'd win in a landslide!!!

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