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  •  Sorry, that's a bit misleading (0+ / 0-)

    The majority of Catholics who attend Mass weekly (some would label them devout Catholics) are much more likely to vote Republican in presidential elections.  These are the folks who hear the weekly sermons and get the directives from the bishop of their diocese.  

    White Catholics, regardless of attendance, tend to vote Republican.  Hispanic and Black Catholics keep it closer.

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

    by jhannon on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 05:03:09 PM PDT

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    •  That's just wrong. Almost every sentence (3+ / 0-)
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      is wrong.

      Most importantly, it is just plain false to claim that white Catholics, regardless of attendance, tend to vote Republican.

      That is called a lie.

      •  you are right Timaeus (5+ / 0-)

        Most well educated Catholics, regardless of ethnic background, are not one issue voters ... and currently there is a saying making the rounds in Catholic circles and facebook pages...

        In this election there is no PRO LIFE candidate... there is one candidate who is anti-abortion, but he is not pro-life..

        This realization that Romney and Ryan are only anti-abortion and not truly pro-life at all  combined with the persecution of the nuns by the Vatican has a lot of Catholics bristling against the Bishops ...

        Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

        by moonbatlulu on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 07:10:15 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, "bristling" is a polite way to put it, (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Actually, he's wrong (0+ / 0-)

          As you can see from these links.   His assumptions, and yours, are founded on wishful thinking, a lack of awareness of the changing socio-economic status of white Catholics over the last forty years, or your focus on a subgroup.

          Most white Catholics (never mind the apparently more qualified well-educated ones?) are not one-issue voters but they have as a group drifted right over the past decades.  This is not surprising given the racial divide in this country.  

          pewresearch.org/pubs/1697/exit-poll-election-support-among-religious-groups

          pewresearch.org/pubs/573/religion-presidential-vote

          In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

          by jhannon on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 10:24:44 PM PDT

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          •  that first group doesn't support your argument (0+ / 0-)

            The exit-poll-support amoung religious groups shows that Obama got more support than Kerry among Minority Catholics (up 9%), and White Observant Catholics (2%)
            and Less Observant White Catholics (5%) ....

            unless you are saying that more support for Obama over Kerry represents drifting to the right, your accusations of that our assumptions are the result of wishful thinking needs to be revised

            the second study you cite is strictly about 2004 without any reference to today's issues and problems

            I live in a city  that is about 75% Catholic ... 85% minority ... at the minimums .... I know hundreds of well-educated  white Catholics.  Of them, only five vote Republican and they are all one issue anti-abortion voters ...  I know several Hispanic Catholics that are republicans ...mostly male... in fact, the strong progressive stances of female Catholic Hispanics in this town almost frightens me...
            The Catholics who support the Vatican and the Republicans are dying off ... the ones who stay like Paul Ryan are driving off the young folk faster than the pedophilia of the clergy ..

            Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

            by moonbatlulu on Thu Aug 16, 2012 at 07:31:02 PM PDT

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      •  Your indignation is silly. I wd like an apology (0+ / 0-)

        As the president likes to say, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

        pewresearch.org/pubs/1697/exit-poll-election-support-among-religious-groups

        pewresearch.org/pubs/573/religion-presidential-vote

         I'm surprised that this comes as a surprise to you.  

        In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

        by jhannon on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 10:20:04 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, I think you're wrong. I'm not (0+ / 0-)

          persuaded by your two Pew links.

          I give more trust to my own experience of going to church every week and regularly interacting with thousands of people all the time (including my wife's interactions in many Catholic circles).

          In short, I think you're attaching irrational significance to a couple of limited polls.

          •  Oh my lord! (0+ / 0-)

            You are basing your judgment on anecdotal evidence rather than polling by the most reputable organization in the country to study religion and politics.

            And you said I was lying.  For that you could apologize.

            In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

            by jhannon on Wed Aug 15, 2012 at 08:08:43 PM PDT

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            •  I'm probably quicker to apologize than (0+ / 0-)

              any other old-timer here, and I'm sincere when I do.  

              I've re-read this thread, and again, I don't think you deserve an apology.

              To the contrary, I think you should extend an apology to the community for false statements.

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